Nobody likes to be called a dummy by a dummy.

What is so wrong with

dropping out of life for awhile and just wandering about from part-time job to part-time job while attending grad school?

My life is headed nowhere anyway.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
September 6th, 2006 10:52am
Won't your girlfriend dump you if you do that? (seriously)

Anyway, from a social point of view - nothing wrong with going walkabout. More people probably should, and it would be nice if we had some social conventions in place to support it.
Permalink Send private email Philo 
September 6th, 2006 10:55am
Why would you think there's anything wrong with it?
Permalink son of parnas 
September 6th, 2006 10:55am
why not just go on a long working holiday for a while?

doing low pay work in the place where you are used to having a "proper" job can be a bit of a head fuck, in my experience. Better to get a complete break if its that bad.
Permalink $-- 
September 6th, 2006 10:57am
Just make sure income >= expenses.
Permalink  
September 6th, 2006 10:57am
NO!  Run, rabbit, run!  PUT DOWN THAT NOVEL.  Do not stop to think.  Our dossier says you've been attempting eight hours of sleep a night and that's plain too mu... PUT DOWN THAT BIOGRAPHY.  Just step away from the bookshelf, please.  Isn't it time you got back to work?
Permalink Send private email Jöhn Härën 
September 6th, 2006 10:59am
Going to grad school doesn't sound like dropping out.
Permalink Send private email just me 
September 6th, 2006 11:20am
Philo, to not do something merely for the fear of getting dumped is just silly.

Go sharkfish ... try and negotiate a sabbatical from work if you can.

Nothing like knowing you definitely have a job to go back to.
Permalink Send private email Tapiwa 
September 6th, 2006 11:21am
The mortgage payment not clearing is my chief objection.
Permalink Send private email Clay Dowling 
September 6th, 2006 11:37am
"Go sharkfish ... try and negotiate a sabbatical from work if you can."

The boss already mentioned someone else in my position tried to do that and he laughed heartily at the idea.

Not going to happen.

I don't want ANY job, to be honest. I just don't want to work anymore.

Period.  I want to focus on things that will make my life a positive experience, and work isn't one of those things. 

I read an article recently about scaling back and working part-time. 

I'm just dreaming though.  I'll never do it.

Thanks for entertaining my despair and providing decent thoughts.

Not smart enough to get a great job, not dumb enough to be happy in a mediocre job.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
September 6th, 2006 11:45am
You can do what you want...if you are willing to accept the sacrifices necessary.
Permalink Send private email Aaron F Stanton 
September 6th, 2006 12:04pm
Had your chat with the girlfriend?
Permalink Send private email Tapiwa 
September 6th, 2006 12:05pm
Because companies want to hire people who "get things done!"  People who "get things done" don't drop out because they think they need a rest.  They rest at night while sleeping, then "get things done" during the day. 

If they want to, they develop a hobby on the side, that might in the future help them "get more things done".

And if their work situation sucks, they do something about it.  Negotiate.  Maneuver themselves to get a better position, a different position, one with greater responsibilities or closer match to their talents.

So that's "what is so wrong with" -- it shows a lack of drive, foggy thinking, an unwillingness to extend yourself.  And it can be difficult to explain that 3 month, 6 month, or 1 year gap in employment.
Permalink Somebody 
September 6th, 2006 12:27pm
Now, if it lets you finish Grad School faster, then go for it.  That's the kind of dynamic, take-charge thinking you should be doing.
Permalink Somebody 
September 6th, 2006 12:28pm
""So that's "what is so wrong with" -- it shows a lack of drive, foggy thinking, an unwillingness to extend yourself.  And it can be difficult to explain that 3 month, 6 month, or 1 year gap in employment.""

It's also entirely bullshit thinking.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
September 6th, 2006 12:28pm
Crap trolling.
Permalink Send private email Jöhn Härën 
September 6th, 2006 12:29pm
"It's also entirely bullshit thinking."

Does that mean you agree with Somebody, or disagree?


...

Anyway, I couldn't take off a year or more and just do nothing.  I would have to complete something worthwhile.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
September 6th, 2006 12:37pm
I don't think Somebody (Allan) is necessarily taking that position, I think he's giving the perspective of the employer.  However, if he IS taking that position, I think he's a retard.  Humans are not drill presses or bolt threaders or any sort of other machine geared only for production in an industrial sense.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
September 6th, 2006 12:39pm
"Humans are not drill presses or bolt threaders or any sort of other machine geared only for production in an industrial sense."

true.


I like my job, I have opportunities here, but I'm having trouble caring.

No matter what anyone does for me, I'm not really happy with it. That's a terrible sign.

Terrible.  Because it means I'm just an unhappy asshole.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
September 6th, 2006 12:47pm
It means you need to stop making your career your life, and get out and be a human being for awhile.

Maybe that means telling the g/f that you're going to fuck off on a weekend or two, and she shouldn't wait up.  Dunno.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
September 6th, 2006 12:49pm
I'm so sorry.  I thought the question was "What is so wrong with...".  Oh, look, that IS what the question was.

So yes, I gave the answer from the employers perspective.  And from a particularly male viewpoint that the answer should actually address the question.  Logic, you know?  Now, if the question had been, "What would be good about..." then I would have answered differently.

Now, a 'female viewpoint' answer would be much more likely to address Sharky's expression of burnout, and be much more supportive and caring.  I have those answers too, I suppose.  Luck of the draw which one comes out first.

I have serious problems with burnout myself (ok, it's not all about ME!).  So I can be sympathetic (oh).  But I don't have a good solution (d'oh!).
Permalink Somebody 
September 6th, 2006 12:59pm
So you figure men are entirely unsympathetic, industrious automatons and only women can understand the human need for more than labor?

Dude, you are SERIOUSLY messed up in the head.  Were you raised by Heaven's Gate cult members?
Permalink Send private email muppet 
September 6th, 2006 1:01pm
"I read an article recently about scaling back and working part-time."

Sounds good. Just take all the money you have and lock it up somewhere where nobody can get to it and live as if you have no money. Exactly how far off track will you be if you loaf for a year?

When I was in college (the first time) I read an article about how you can work part time and live roughly on the level of The Honeymooners. Now just do it in a nice hippie neighborhood with lots of pot smoking friendlies so you can, you know, entertain yourself in ways other than watching Discovery Channel and surfing CoT.

Or just move into the hippie neighborhood and keep your job, rent is probably expensive.
Permalink wheeeee ~~~~~~~ x 
September 6th, 2006 1:10pm
"Were you raised by Heaven's Gate cult members?"

Why yes. Yes I was.
Permalink Send private email eunuch 
September 6th, 2006 1:18pm
The main problem with getting a part-time job that I see is that the pay opportunities are much lower. There is so much overhead associated with any job (benefits, infrastructure, support personel, etc) it makes little sense for employers to hire two people at 20 hours each when they can hire one person at 40 hours. The later option is much more economical (even more if you can make the work OT).

So most part-time work in the market is either seasonal (like roofing) or has terrible beenfits (like Wal-Mart, etc).

The only way to get around this is to do consulting. Which means bringing the non-salary costs of employment (medical insurance, equipment purchases, etc) unto oneself.
Permalink Send private email just me 
September 6th, 2006 1:21pm
I think you could do with studying something different. Not in college.

Like, how do people make money without doing the 9 to 5?

It can be done, there's ample proof of that. But it's a skill/art, and you need to apply yourself. Study people that do that successfully.
Permalink $-- 
September 6th, 2006 1:52pm
> Terrible.  Because it means I'm just an unhappy asshole.

Unfortunately it's not that easy. It could mean you are depressed. Try seeing a doctor.

It could also mean you've adapted to your environment and nothing is different enough to stimulate you. A change with new challenges could be exactly what you need.

Or you could take up meditation so you can better deal with the unrelenting boredom of life.
Permalink son of parnas 
September 6th, 2006 1:58pm
You should take into account what Alan is saying. Though I too think it's bullshit as muppet says most people would ask those questions. It's not the length of the hiatus that matters but how you put it across. Basically what you were doing during the break.

If someone is layed off, it's not very bad. They should let the next employer know that it's because the company wasn't doing good they had no other go. It's not their fault. During early 2000s even big IT companies layed off people and they took them back after a period of 3 or 4 months. People who were layed off, naturally, attended interviews and a couple of years later they were much better off than their peers who had the jobs.

Another case is contract employees. They want to become permanent but many weren't able to and had a gap which could be explained as they are contract employees.

In both the above cases people though they had a gap they were on the look out so that was fine.

I know friends who go on maternity leave. Then they extend the leave for a couple of months even after they are ready to go to office. Even that is acceptable.

You need to find some reason like that which is usually acceptable.

As far as going to school is concerned if someone is into technology they do so for getting an mba or something related to management. Since that is seen as a change in their career it is acceptable.

Think of an alternative that would be acceptable. If you have one you will not come across as one who took the decision with your eyes closed. Once you have a really good reason you will not have a nagging feeling that you have done something out of the way. If it's on your mind you won't be able to be happy even after leaving.

In case you want to work again, a reason for quitting may be something like you had to help an elderly relative which required a lot of traveling and stay at a different state frequently. So you were unable to do a 9 - 5 job but you did something as a free lance programmer for a couple of years. Now that you will be able to spend a whole day at work you are in the job market again.
Permalink Send private email Senthilnathan N.S. 
September 6th, 2006 3:11pm

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