8, 8 days until Disney! Ah ha ha!

dammit.

I got an 85 on a very easy math exam.  One I thought I got a 90 on.

Fucking fucking motherfucking fuck.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
September 18th, 2006 9:57pm
You should study more and post on forums less.
Permalink Obvious 
September 18th, 2006 9:58pm
Fuck you.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
September 18th, 2006 10:01pm
Take it easy :)
Permalink Rick Zeng/Tseng 
September 18th, 2006 10:02pm
Don't tell me to take it easy.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
September 18th, 2006 10:06pm
calm down
Permalink worldsSmallestViolin 
September 18th, 2006 10:39pm
You guys know nothing about women, do you.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
September 18th, 2006 10:42pm
We can't actually sit and listen to you vent, so you just get the annoying advice/comments.  WTF are we supposed to do on a text-only forum?  I'm sure lots of people would like to give wrestle with you right about now, but it's probably not practicle.
Permalink Send private email Ward 
September 18th, 2006 11:02pm
SOME of us know nothing about women, yes.

You vent whatever you need to vent.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
September 18th, 2006 11:04pm
???

This is a group forum, and we are not your boyfriend or husband.

Stop complaining.
Permalink Rick Zeng/Tseng 
September 18th, 2006 11:23pm
[sits, listening intently]
Permalink Send private email Steel McLargeHuge 
September 18th, 2006 11:27pm
[nods, wan smile in commiseration]
Permalink Send private email Steel McLargeHuge 
September 18th, 2006 11:28pm
[suggests maybe if you studied more and posted less...]
Permalink Send private email Steel McLargeHuge 
September 18th, 2006 11:28pm
I have an orgo quiz on Wednesday I'm not quite ready for. But I have all day Tuesday to study for it.
Permalink ~~~x 
September 18th, 2006 11:28pm
"This is a group forum, and we are not your boyfriend or husband.

Stop complaining."

Mmmmhmmm.

Isn't that what you guys are for?
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
September 18th, 2006 11:32pm
"I have an orgo quiz on Wednesday I'm not quite ready for. But I have all day Tuesday to study for it."

Well, according to these guys, all you need to do is stop posting and study more and you will be successful.

Unfortunately, I can know some subjects cold and still not do well on the test just because the professor always picks a different way to present the material.  No matter how much you study, you might still miss a question.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
September 18th, 2006 11:33pm
We're still trying to find a use for ourselves. Please pardon our appearance while we renovate.
Permalink ~~~x 
September 18th, 2006 11:33pm
Yeah.

I should tell myself to take it easy :)
Permalink Rick Zeng/Tseng 
September 18th, 2006 11:34pm
Did you get the test back? What kinds of stuff did you miss?
Permalink Send private email Steel McLargeHuge 
September 18th, 2006 11:34pm
Um... I um... yeah, aren't there studies that show that black people test poorly because of some sort of test anxiety?

I bring earplugs if I think the prof is going to talk a lot, and I skip a lot of questions the first time through to make sure I get through everything without spending too much time on something difficult and then the second time through the answer just comes to me.
Permalink ~~~x 
September 18th, 2006 11:35pm
I don't get it back for a few days.

I know I know how to do the problems.  I probably misunderstood what he was asking for or made a silly mistake, as usual.

I have the concepts down, and I can even answer the questions.

I didn't have the book for the first two weeks of class, either, so I couldn't really follow along.  I made the mistake of trying to save money and buy it from Amazon.  For the second time this year, the seller never contacted me, even after I emailed them, and they never told me what happened.  They just refunded my money.  Meanwhile, I was out to dry.

It was kind of important for me to have the book because the lectures glanced over some details.

Oh well, I have 2 exams and a final left to prove myself.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
September 18th, 2006 11:37pm
"I skip a lot of questions the first time through to make sure I get through everything without spending too much time on something difficult and then the second time through the answer just comes to me."

That's my strategy, too.

I have no idea what I missed that took away 15%.  And because I have never received any material back from him, I haven't a clue as to his grading style.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
September 18th, 2006 11:39pm
With math, it's really important to do lots & lots of problems. Lots & lots of them. I had a study partner & we did lots & lots of problems together and did well.

What I also did was created a study sheet with all the info required to answer the questions & made sure I could spit it out at the beginning of the test. Just a list of formulas.
Permalink ~~~x 
September 18th, 2006 11:39pm
What subject? Are there exam prep books available? If you have problems testing, practice taking tests.
Permalink Send private email Steel McLargeHuge 
September 18th, 2006 11:41pm
"and because I have never received any material back from him"

That sucks. What kind of teacher is he?
Permalink Send private email Rick Zeng/Tseng 
September 18th, 2006 11:41pm
A slow mofo, that's what.

He says it is in the mail.  Since I'm taking it online, that's what I get (although I get the same lecture as the live students, that day).
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
September 18th, 2006 11:43pm
Yeah, I did the lots and lots of problems. I did every one in the book, and I have a Schaum's with practice problems, too, most of which I finished.

To be honest, I'm not really all that confident that I'll ever get A's on the tests.  No matter how much you practice, if you don't anticipate a curve, then you won't get the answer, unless you are good at math and thinking under pressure, neither of which I am good at.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
September 18th, 2006 11:45pm
I walked away confident that I got 90% of them right, and the other 10% I allowed for my own typical mistakes.

That I didn't get 100% is ridiculous, because the test was easy.

Who knows what I got wrong.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
September 18th, 2006 11:46pm
After a couple tests like that, I started taking earplugs & sitting in the back of the room. I really needed to create my own space in order to concentrate.
Permalink ~~~x 
September 18th, 2006 11:47pm
Oh you walked out thinking you did well. That always sucks when you don't end up doing well.
Permalink ~~~x 
September 18th, 2006 11:47pm
Dude, 85%, for me, on a math test, is doing well.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
September 18th, 2006 11:48pm
I understand. I'm doing really well (all A's or A+'s and one A-), and I want to continue doing really well.

Damnit, I'm being lulled into a false sense of security, I'm not supposed to talk about my personal life here.
Permalink ~~~x 
September 18th, 2006 11:49pm
Well, it'll depend on what you get back, but if it was anything you'd classify as "stupid mistakes" (misreading the question, copying answers over wrong, skipping a step, etc) then try doing the problems, but make sure you take them *exactly* like you take the test. Don't glance at a question and think "yeah, I know how to do that" - actually write it down and work through it.
Permalink Send private email Steel McLargeHuge 
September 18th, 2006 11:51pm
""yeah, I know how to do that" - actually write it down and work through it."

I do exactly that.

Some people just aren't good at math tests.

I worked hard, I studied hard, I know the material, I even explained it to other classmates.  I wrote a program to prove a point (simple stuff, but it was helpful).

Still got a B.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
September 19th, 2006 12:07am
85% on a math test is a respectable score.  Math is that one subject for me where getting extra credit on HW or tests is necessary.
Permalink LinuxOrBust 
September 19th, 2006 12:08am
Sometimes, if they curve it, it'll go over 100% and you can latch onto that, but just on a straight 0-100, 85 is good.
Permalink LinuxOrBust 
September 19th, 2006 12:10am
You wouldn't happen to be British, would you?
Permalink ~~~x 
September 19th, 2006 12:13am
"I understand. I'm doing really well (all A's or A+'s and one A-), and I want to continue doing really well. "

That's good.  It sounds like you have a lot of time to study and you are focused.

I am less so. If I can make it through a math program with B's, then I'm doing good, since I'm not going to be competing with medical school students for limited slots.

If I actually go to graduate school (my eventual goal), I can't imagine they wouldn't accept me with a B average.  And because I'm so old, no one is giving me a scholarship anyway.

It would be nice to be an A student, but I haven't been since I've had to take care of myself.  The last time I really had consistent, A grades, I was in high school and I had no worries.

I wasn't thinking about "gee, if I do my homework now, or go buy that book at the bookstore instead of Amazon, I can get ahead!"  Instead, I was thinking, "well, I'll skip that extra time and catch up on the train ride home because  I have customizations due for work and the bonuses I get for completing them on time is money in the bank."

So I really shouldn't be complaining.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
September 19th, 2006 12:23am
He just posted the answers.

I got two questions wrong.

Ex(x+3=1)  (the "E" is a backwards E)

Given the universal set is the set of all natural numbers is it true or false?


backwards E means there is SOME NUMBER x that fulfills the equation.  So I said the statement is true.  But a fraction is not a natural number.

I didn't read the question properly. -5 points

THe other one I got wrong, and for which he didn't even give me partial credit, was one I over-thought. -10 points.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
September 19th, 2006 12:39am
The teacher did mention during a lecture how crappy it is that the in-class students can't have things set up in certain ways in order to accomodate us online students (it wouldn't be fair to do some things for in-class students if the online students can't take advantage).

I was miffed at that, but I just took a mental note and forgot about it.  I forget the specific issue.

I wonder if I had been getting feedback, in person, from the beginning, how I would have done.  Might have done the same, I s'pose.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
September 19th, 2006 12:42am
What class is this?
Permalink Send private email Rick Zeng/Tseng 
September 19th, 2006 12:43am
I would've screwed up the first question, too.

But this is what I meant by practicing. If you practice like you take the test (assuming you can find sample problems like the prof uses - can you get old exams of his?) then you will catch yourself making these kinds of mistakes, which teaches you to be a bit more cautious on things like this.

It's similar to programming - Joel said when he has people write code he looks for people who immediately put the closing bracket (or NEXT) as soon as they start a loop. Why? Because anyone who's coded for a while has been bitten by leaving it out, so they put it in.

Again, the trick is finding sample questions like the one the prof gives on tests. :/
Permalink Send private email Steel McLargeHuge 
September 19th, 2006 12:43am
But IDEs stick the bracket in for you.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
September 19th, 2006 12:45am
Perhaps, but a good artisan understands their tools, and since your pencil appears to remain less intelligent than the tree it was cut from, you gotta do a bit more thinkin', capice?
Permalink Send private email Steel McLargeHuge 
September 19th, 2006 12:49am
That's just stupid.

I'm not a details person.  I will never be.  That's why I use IDE's and not Notepad, and misread questions on tests.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
September 19th, 2006 12:58am
I should also mention I am very good at standardized tests.

They don't have subtleties.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
September 19th, 2006 1:02am
Is 0 a natural number? I always forget.
Permalink Send private email Rick Zeng/Tseng 
September 19th, 2006 1:05am
Zero is not a natural number.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
September 19th, 2006 1:07am
Be a details person. It counts.

Especially if you want to fuck around with hardware. Believe me, "reading the question" is *nothing* compared to some of the shit that that can throw at you.

The devil is in the details.
Permalink $-- 
September 19th, 2006 3:45am
on another note, I didn't understand your sets question. E(x+3=1) ... implies x = -2, right? -2 is a natural number, no?

(long time since I did maths.)
Permalink $-- 
September 19th, 2006 3:46am
You thought you got 90 but only got 85? No wonder you failed - you can't count.
Permalink Ming the mirthless 
September 19th, 2006 6:09am
Yeah, the first question would have bitten me in the ass too, because of course I can find a value for x that makes the statement true, but it's outside of the allowed set.

In fact I know that I have been bitten by this on an exam.
Permalink Send private email Clay Dowling 
September 19th, 2006 8:22am
Thanks Clay.

I feel better :)

It's like asking some of these weirdos here to spell correctly.

That most people here can't spell, consistently, so THERE!
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
September 19th, 2006 11:25am
"Be a details person. It counts. "

But I'm not.  My talent is seeing the big picture.

I can try, I suppose.  The only way it will happen is to see the joy in the subject matter.  That's why I can write software that works (most of the time).
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
September 19th, 2006 11:50am
you can do both.
Permalink $-- 
September 19th, 2006 12:14pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_number

It's complicated, starting from the first paragraph:

"In mathematics, a natural number is either a positive integer (1, 2, 3, 4, ...) or a non-negative integer (0, 1, 2, 3, 4, ...). The former definition is generally used in number theory, while the latter is preferred in set theory and computer science."
Permalink Send private email Rick Zeng/Tseng 
September 19th, 2006 7:00pm

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