Nobody likes to be called a dummy by a dummy.

too much shit running

From http://www.crazyontap.com/topic.php?TopicId=10895#135816

I'm with muppet on this one.  About the time I fill my taskbar I'm thinking of apps and windows to close.  But I've noticed over the years that many of my colleagues seem to delight in having fourscore and seven apps open, crowding their task bar into an illegible mess.  Why is this?
Permalink Send private email John Haren 
September 22nd, 2006 10:59am
Maybe they couldn't care less and have never considered the productivity pros and cons of being able to quickly find an application?
Permalink Scott 
September 22nd, 2006 11:20am
Maybe they don't know what those little red Xs in the corner do?  Kind like some programmers have never heard of free(2), and thus require 1 gig of RAM for an app that lists a client's investment history (I'm not making this up).
Permalink Send private email Clay Dowling 
September 22nd, 2006 11:37am
This is the stupidest.  Everyone has a work style.  Just because yours doesn't align with someone else's doesn't mean yours is better or worse.

I have lots of windows open because there is this thing called Alt-Tab.

Yes, that's right.  Alt-Tab. You can pick the window you are working on.

Multiple desktops are great, too.

For those of you whose minds are limited and can't multi-task, close your damn programs.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
September 22nd, 2006 11:37am
People open stuff, and then don't close it. I don't think it reflects any certain pathology.
Permalink hello. 
September 22nd, 2006 12:26pm
I'm doing some load testing this week, and have 150+ copies of our client app loaded.  Slows things down a mite....

But otherwise, I fall into the "only keep open what you're using" camp.
Permalink xampl 
September 22nd, 2006 12:31pm
I have two monitors and, thanks to ultramon, two taskbars...  I guess that means I can have twice as much shit open as anyone else.

Most of the applications I use are MDI...  my email, web browser, IDEs, etc.

Most regular user applications like Word or Excel are not.  I typically have 20-30 code windows open at a time.  Imagine 20-30 word documents crowding up your desktop.
Permalink Send private email Wayne (AHA) 
September 22nd, 2006 12:49pm
Word and Excel USED to be MDI.
Permalink Send private email wicket awethome 
September 22nd, 2006 12:51pm
Yeah but that was TOO confusing...  bah.  Maybe if tab were more common a few years ago, they would have gone that route instead of giving each document its own window.

I had the pleasure of spending 6 hours straight working on a Mac last night.  A few things were good: It's much easier to use two applications at once (reading one, writing in another) than on Windows.  But, speaking of this particular issue, everything in the Mac opens a new Window.  I'm working in just a few applications (and the finder) and I easily end up with more open windows than I can manage.  It's a pain in the ass.
Permalink Send private email Wayne (AHA) 
September 22nd, 2006 1:08pm
The multiple windows are actually MORE useful than a tabbed interface when you have Expose set to a hot corner.
Permalink Send private email wicket awethome 
September 22nd, 2006 1:09pm
Maybe.  I'm still getting the hang of things.  Obviously, my own lack of experience with the Mac is an issue.  But then, Apple wants switchers: I'm the perfect example of someone who's comfortable using a PC but never used a Mac.

Oddly, I spent *a lot* of time using Option-tab -- something I *never* do on a PC.  I'm not sure why the big difference.
Permalink Send private email Wayne (AHA) 
September 22nd, 2006 1:12pm
Go into system preferences and set Expose to one or more hot-corners.  Right now.
Permalink Send private email wicket awethome 
September 22nd, 2006 1:14pm
If Apple were to make OS X mirror Windows more and more closely in the name of convincing switchers, there'd no longer be any reason to switch.
Permalink Send private email wicket awethome 
September 22nd, 2006 1:15pm
opt-alt-O switches between OS's. RTFM. Doofuses.
Permalink Send private email teh geek 
September 22nd, 2006 1:24pm
"Go into system preferences and set Expose to one or more hot-corners.  Right now."

Don't worry, I intend to next time I'm in front of that machine.

"If Apple were to make OS X mirror Windows more and more closely in the name of convincing switchers, there'd no longer be any reason to switch."

You'd have a point if Apple's way was truely better.  I'm not  convinced of that yet (my mind is still open on the issue, though).  It seems like on the Mac I really need Option-tab or Expose but on the PC I don't need it at all.
Permalink Send private email Wayne (AHA) 
September 22nd, 2006 1:52pm
But Expose is so natural and fast after a few minutes that the Windows way seems slow afterwards.  I'm constantly trying to invoke Expose on my PC at work.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
September 22nd, 2006 2:54pm
F9!  F9!
Permalink xampl 
September 22nd, 2006 3:06pm
"But Expose is so natural and fast after a few minutes that the Windows way seems slow afterwards."

I don't see why you would need Expose on Windows.  On a Mac, I get it: a) So many windows everywhere, b) Drag and drop is huge, and c) the dock is crowded.

On Windows, I just don't need to switch applications that way.  I never need to use Alt-tab.  It's just not an issue.
Permalink Send private email Wayne (AHA) 
September 22nd, 2006 3:08pm
Drag and drop is huge because it's natural, easy, and WELL IMPLEMENTED in nearly every Mac application.

*gasp*
Permalink Send private email muppet 
September 22nd, 2006 4:25pm
Typical muppet... grab *one item* from what I'm saying and argue it.  BTW, I didn't say the drag and drop was poorly implemented or anything, I just said it was "huge".
Permalink Send private email Wayne (AHA) 
September 22nd, 2006 4:45pm
I wish I had Expose on Windows.  Once you get used to developing using an SDI code editor and shuffling your files like a deck of cards with Expose, Windows will feel like a kludge.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
September 22nd, 2006 7:30pm
"SDI code editor"

*cold shiver*  I remember when VB5 came with the option using an SDI or MDI interface (SDI became the default) I think everyone switched it back to MDI.

SDI is much more natural on the Mac but I still dislike all the little tool and document windows floating around.  No matter what I do, it always seems disorganized compared to a nice stable MDI interface with everything docked around the edges and tabs for navigating between documents.
Permalink Send private email Wayne (AHA) 
September 22nd, 2006 7:39pm
The disadvantage is that is that you're constrained within a single application at a time.  I must admit, it was much more seemless to use two applications, at the same time, with a little window for one on the right and another little window on the left.

However, I think I prefer to work in one application at a time.
Permalink Send private email Wayne (AHA) 
September 22nd, 2006 7:40pm

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