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From Savage Love:
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove?oid=25106

"Your column sometimes refers to she-males or chicks with dicks, but I never see anything about my thing: guys with pies. While I identify as a gay man, my ultimate fantasy is a hypermasculine man with a vagina instead of a penis. I've searched the web for like-minded men or FTMs with the goods (or lack of goods). No luck. Most references to men with vaginas link back to feminist theory, not mangina. I have attempted to cut a deal with a few pre-op and hormone-using FTM transsexuals—they feel they are men with vaginas—but they hate their vaginas and are mostly interested in women. Where can I find manly men who love their vaginas?

The Impossible Fantasy

I get at least one sad letter a month from gay-identified, pre-op FTMs who complain that they can't find any gay men—excuse me, any other gay men—who can get past the guys-with-pies thing. So it strikes me as odd that none of the GWPs that you approached were: 1. gay-identified, and 2. interested. So I'm putting your letter out there in hopes that some gay-identified FTMs will respond. What's up, GWPs? Why isn't TIF having any luck?"
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
September 25th, 2006 10:25pm
My sexual knowledge just got stretched a bit farther than I wanted it to.

Thank god I live in the south, I think I will sign up for the Christian Coalition and make run to my local Baptist church.
Permalink Send private email Bot Berlin 
September 25th, 2006 10:29pm
god what a load of shit.  its simple people.  a person with a penis is a man.  a person with a vagina is a woman.  a person with both is unusual and gets to make their own decision.



chopping your dick off, does not make you a woman, anymore than removing a hand does.  sewing a dick on does not make you a man.

dress up however you want, call yourself whatever you want, but the basics dont change.
Permalink worldsSmallestViolin 
September 25th, 2006 10:57pm
> my ultimate fantasy is a hypermasculine man with a vagina instead of a penis.

Sigh, another romantic: the value of desire is proportional to its rarity. (Regular gay men are just too normal and easy to find these days.)
Permalink Send private email just me 
September 25th, 2006 10:59pm
"Some of the more perverse subjects evident in Tanizaki's fiction are incorporated into The Secret History of the Lord of Musashi. This novella, set in sixteenth-century Japan, depicts the sexual deviation and treachery of the warlord Terukatsu. Aroused by the practices of warriors who take decapitated heads and severed noses from enemies slain in battle, he surreptitiously disfigures his lover's husband by cutting off his nose during the night. Terukatsu then encourages his lover to believe that her now-noseless husband was earlier responsible for her father's murder—an act performed by Terukatsu himself! According to Edmund White, "The cause of Terukatsu's double-dealing is his own bizarre obsession; what he most longs to see is a sadistic woman make love to a noseless man."
Permalink Dan Savage-San, medieval ninja 
September 26th, 2006 12:49am
I think wSV and just me aren't on the mark here.


I don't think it the rarity, as much as the "taboo-ness".

A man with a vagina or a chick with a dick are taboo, and therefore a turn-on.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
September 26th, 2006 1:10am
I think its more about the rarity. I thought taboo was more about something that would be easy to do, like have sex with your brother, or eat your dead cat, but you don't, because it would be bad.
Permalink hello. 
September 26th, 2006 3:41am
I just think he's a fucking freak, but I always had a problem with the effeminate homos too, so my tolerance for freaks isn't too great.
Permalink Send private email Clay Dowling 
September 26th, 2006 8:40am
"A man with a Vagina"

Any members of the east german wrestling team still alive?
Permalink flash91 
September 26th, 2006 10:28am
ewwww.
Permalink $-- 
September 26th, 2006 10:55am
"I think its more about the rarity. I thought taboo was more about something that would be easy to do, like have sex with your brother, or eat your dead cat, but you don't, because it would be bad."

You are obviously not a homo. :)
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
September 26th, 2006 12:05pm
Let's see.  Given

1.  Girl with dick

2.  Guy with a pussy

Which one do you do?  You have to do one or the other.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
September 26th, 2006 12:06pm
I presume the girl doesn't have to shave their beard.

A beard would be really off putting, only one beard per couple.  Its a good rule to live by.
Permalink Send private email Simon Lucy 
September 26th, 2006 1:23pm
See ... the value of Simon Lucy's contribution is proportional to its rarity as well.
Permalink Send private email Dan Savage-San, medieval ninja 
September 26th, 2006 2:02pm
"Only one beard per couple.  Its a good rule to live by."

put that on the damn header.
Permalink $-- 
September 26th, 2006 11:23pm

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