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Free not-hosted alternatives to SharePoint

So, the SharePoint doesn't really work most of the time at the place I work. That has caused lots of frustration etc. However, when it works and is accessable, I quite like the document management abilities it has got - checkout/checkin, seeing all the previous versions of a document etc.

However, there must be something else available as well, that does just that and not all the other things SharePoint offers. We would like to install it separately and use it just for our project... max. 10 people editing documents, usually just 3-4.

Give me your experiences and suggestions please.
Permalink asdf 
September 26th, 2006 3:27am
Why does it "really not work most of the time"?
Permalink Send private email Steele McLargeHuge 
September 26th, 2006 3:48am
It means that is not accessable - because the server is down, the domain is down or doesn't really authenticate. Isn't that fast either during peak hours.
Permalink asdf 
September 26th, 2006 4:03am
Then why not run WSS (the bits of SharePoint you really like) on a local server? WSS is a free download for Windows Server 2003.

Or if you're feeling really adventurous, get WSS v3 beta 2TR [grin]

The problem isn't SharePoint - it's the sysadmin. :)
Permalink Send private email Steele McLargeHuge 
September 26th, 2006 4:08am
I agree with the sysadmin being a part of the problem, however, there is nothing I can do about that. So, I need to find an alternative.

Will look into WSS standalone.
Permalink asdf 
September 26th, 2006 4:13am
"The problem isn't SharePoint - it's the sysadmin. :)"

yeah, because if an experienced sysadmin cannot get a program to run without issues, then its the _sysadmin_ that is the problem.


riiight.


and _that_ ladies and gentlemen, is how Microsoft patented technology reached the advanced stage it has today.
or, in the words of their patent-pending speech recognition system "FUCKWAD, auntie CUNT TOSSER is here FLYING FUCK RAKER"

...which is, interestingly enough, much the same statement given by the sysadmin whilst attempting to configure sharepoint...
Permalink worldsSmallestViolin 
September 26th, 2006 6:34am
" because if an experienced sysadmin cannot get a program to run without issues, then its the _sysadmin_ that is the problem."

No, because when I know of dozens of implementations that are running just fine, and one particular installation has issues, I start playing "one of these things is not like the other"

I'll bet if I came on here ranting about Linux because some customer had a site that kept crashing you'd simply agree it must be the technology, right?
Permalink Send private email Steele McLargeHuge 
September 26th, 2006 9:06am
The solution is, wiki.
Permalink Send private email Flasher T 
September 26th, 2006 9:19am
"No, because when I know of dozens of implementations that are running just fine, and one particular installation has issues, I start playing "one of these things is not like the other"

right.  one of them was probably set up by a experienced sysadmin who _didn't_ know the secret sauce method of making it work.
So as a developer you should take the opportunity to find out what it is he has been unable to do properly and make damn sure its easier to do for the next guy.

"I'll bet if I came on here ranting about Linux because some customer had a site that kept crashing you'd simply agree it must be the technology, right?"

yep.  personally if I cant get something working properly after a month of trying, I blame the technology.  doesn't matter whether its mac os x, linux, windows or my ipod*.  if its so complicated that I cannot make it work after just a few days of dedicated effort then I decide its the fault of the software and start seriously looking around for alternatives.




* I dont own an ipod, will never own an ipod and dont like ipods.
Permalink worldsSmallestViolin 
September 26th, 2006 9:25am
"right.  one of them was probably set up by a experienced sysadmin who _didn't_ know the secret sauce method of making it work.
So as a developer you should take the opportunity to find out what it is he has been unable to do properly and make damn sure its easier to do for the next guy."

Wow. You are completely lost.

First of all, have you ever set up SharePoint? WSS is the most brain-dead-easy thing in the world to get working. It's also pretty easy to *keep* working once it's running.

"as a developer you should" - I'm not on the SharePoint team. However, the SharePoint team have just invested a ton of time and dollars into reviewing customer experiences and are about to release a new version.

FWIW, I was willing to offer help with it if he wanted it - it seems he doesn't.

Maybe you should try thinking instead of just blindly flailing all the time.
Permalink Send private email Steele McLargeHuge 
September 26th, 2006 10:34am
> It's also pretty easy to *keep* working once it's running.

Then how can it be an admin problem?
Permalink son of parnas 
September 26th, 2006 10:39am
Oh, I've seen sysadmins who can screw up anything. :)
Permalink Send private email Steele McLargeHuge 
September 26th, 2006 11:28am
> Oh, I've seen sysadmins who can screw up anything. :)

Not if the software is good.
Permalink son of parnas 
September 26th, 2006 11:30am
Most of my clients try to use SharePoint with the desktop engine/MSDE (cuz it comes with that Business Server OS). It has a memory leak, somehow, and most of them have to uninstall it.  They usually blame my company's product, until I tell them to turn off all the services, and let it run for a week.  They call me back every single time to tell me I was right, except when it is some mangy A-rab/Muslim who always has to be right.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
September 26th, 2006 12:09pm
The last place I worked used it, my current place uses it, neither with any technical issue.

The biggest problem I have seen with it is the typical garbage in/out problem when you let people have too much control over organizing information with the expectation of anyone but the "organizer" retrieving it.

It would seem to me that your "organizers" need to be some sort of subclass of a DBA just to have any semblance of decent info stores.

I haven't used the ones here that much yet, maybe this was more true at my last gig.
Permalink Send private email JoC 
September 26th, 2006 12:21pm
I have a problem with my local copy of Sharepoint.  The whole webserver just stops responding.. restarting the individual services doesn't seem to help so I just end up power-cycling the machine periodically.

I'm no Windows sysadmin but I don't have much running on this machine.  I just ran the install and otherwise leave it alone.
Permalink Send private email Wayne (AHA) 
September 26th, 2006 1:29pm
> I have a problem with my local copy of Sharepoint

You all must be mistaken with your problems. Afterll, there are sites running out there with no problems and its dead stupid to install and maintain.
Permalink son of parnas 
September 26th, 2006 1:35pm

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