PM Jens Stoltenberg: "More islamic immigration needed"
At a simple ceremony at Oslo’s cathedral, a characteristically austere building surrounded by flowers and candles left by mourners, Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg expressed the Nordic country’s mood of defiant grief.
“You should know that we’re crying with you. We feel for you… I am proud of living in a country that has managed to stand up on its feet in such a critical time… We are still horrified over what happened. But we will never give up our values.” Mr. Stoltenberg repeated his call to defy the terrorist’s anti-immigration and anti-multiculturalism rage by dramatically increasing immigration and multiculturalism: “Our answer will be more immigration, more openness to islam, more tolerance - - but never naivety,” he told the congregation.
July 24th, 2011 6:10pm
Just curious, statistically speaking, how many of those immigrants are actually muslim?
And here I thought most immigrants to the west are Chinese and South Asian (and no, not all browns are muslim).
July 24th, 2011 10:10pm
Many of them are muslim. When I was in Oslo in the 80's, there was a whole quarter in the city that was largely populated with muslim immigrants. Just the same as in many parts of Britain then and today.
"The West" is not a single entity, it is a large and varied area of the world with many differences throughout.
July 25th, 2011 12:22am
He's absolutely correct. He shows he understands the pernicious and genocidal centuries old phenomenon called WHITE CHRISTIAN TERRORISM.
It's refreshing to see a public official not completely blinded-sided and pressured (mostly by White Christian xenophobes) in the face of calamity.
Now Mr Stoltenberg is advised to unilaterally pull out of Afghanistan and Nato forces bombing Libya.
July 25th, 2011 12:30am
He should also keep on showing his middle finger prominently to genocidal apartheid state of Israel.
July 25th, 2011 12:33am
Olso is one big islamic shithole. I lived there for the past ten years.
July 25th, 2011 4:28am
It just seems a bit strange that they're singled out based on religion rather than country of origin or some sorts.
Muslims I met here seems pretty normal, you can't even tell if they're muslims. But then again, I guess fundamentalists just don't hangout for drinks or karaoke sessions :)
July 25th, 2011 6:12am
> Muslims I met here seems pretty normal
Is that in the USA?
One must realise that the motivation and demographics of most Muslim immigrants in Europe and the USA are very different.
The core Muslim immigrants in Europe were 'imported' from the poorest villages in Turkey and Northern Africa (in the UK from Pakistan and India, but I don't know those mechanics).
While immigrants in the USA were probably more developed and were able to organise their own migration.
Turkish (Kurdish) immigrants in the Netherlands come from regions that are far less developed than the prosperous regions of modern Turkey.
So European Muslims are more or less the hill-billies of their country of origin.
July 25th, 2011 6:31am
How muslim immigration works:
1. A significant number are war criminals from Somalia etc., who robber enough from their victims that they can buy a plane ticket to Europe, where they claim to be "refugees". Those guys look, walk, talk like genociders and area always young, heaöthy males
2. Another major group is extremist islamists who're being persecuted in their own countries for being violent agitators, terrorist supporters etc. They come to Europe as "being persecuted".
3. The rest are cynical economic luck-seekers, often with sick family memberes needing expensive treatment. They move abroad as "tortured police victims/opposition party dissidents" etc., find a job in a vegetable shop and let their entire sick family come over.
July 25th, 2011 7:10am
Muslims move to the US to go to school, get a job. Muslims move to Oslo to rape women. "I just poor refugee, I have hard life and not know better. And you dress slutty so yoi deserve it." Just look at the rape statistics in Oslo.
July 25th, 2011 7:22am
The Oslo police said that 100% of all street rapes (3 a day) are done by non-western immigrants (muslims)
July 25th, 2011 7:38am
We have a Norwegian here in the office who says that overwhelmingly, Norwegians don't want Muslims in the country, but the liberal government is somehow forcing it on them. Sounds like he's probably full of shit. Who knows. Seems very xenophobic.
Then again, I get upset that my neighborhood is being taken over by ghetto dwellers from the next town over. They move out of their bad neighborhoods when they save a little money, trying to get away from all the annoyances of their negative culture, but then they bring it all with them because they're ignorant of the fact that THEY are the source.
It's to do with education, not nationality, though.
July 25th, 2011 9:08am
I would be curious to hear the stats on what percentage of second generation Norwegian muslims are fully practicing muslims.
You know, eventually, you leave your culture behind.
July 25th, 2011 9:53am
That Norwegian colleague is correct. There are cultural suiciders and Marxists who want more muslim immigration, but generally, Norwegians don't want it and the government imposes it.
Muslims consider their culture to be highly superior and they do NOT assimilate. research shows that 3rd-generation Turks in Holland were LESS integerated than their grandfathers.
July 25th, 2011 9:55am
Please define "cultural Marxist".
July 25th, 2011 10:03am
As far as I understand his book (1511 pages..), a cultural Marxist is someone who denies a person a family, a religion, a history, a culture.
Just as Marxists denied people basic posessions apaer from the clothes on their back and some simple stuff in their houses (house ownership was illegal in the USSR - the state owned all buildings and people rented it from the state), a cultural Marxist seeks to deconstruct the culture, and thereby the identity of a people.
Cultural Marxists destroy the family structure, religion, cultural values such as that rape is bad, etc. They want a nation of brainwashed, powerless drones.
He also agitates against "cultural suiciders", meaning those women who like black cock and therefore support muslim immigration etc. Hippies and other fools. Lefties. Idiots, basically. The collapse of civilization.
July 25th, 2011 10:14am
(Muslims think that rape is good, as long as you rape a non-muslim woman.)
This is a fact. I have talked to many muslims about this. Muslims have no problem with raping a non-muslim. If you hear otherwise, it's either a lie or they are not real muslims.
July 25th, 2011 10:16am
Ah, so he's a paranoid racist like you.
While I'm not sure Muslim culture is superior to Norwegian culture, I don't see how having loose immigration laws is cultural suicide. Whatever result you get is a culture of some kind.
Far more damaging is the corporatist class warfare going on in the US. The systematic destruction of any sort of culture whatsoever in the pursuit of hyper-consumerism.
July 25th, 2011 10:16am
I was even told that western men all deserve to be killed for "letting your women out by themselves looking like whores".
We all deserve to be killed.
July 25th, 2011 10:17am
muppet: "While I'm not sure Muslim culture is superior to Norwegian culture, I don't see how having loose immigration laws is cultural suicide. Whatever result you get is a culture of some kind."
Cultural suicide means the self destruction of YOUR culture. Sure, you get a culture back. But he wants to preserve the culture he has, not replace it with another one he doesn't like.
I speak Arabic, having lived in Egypt for a few years and learned to read and write the language. I I worked only with Arabs and muslim africans (Sudan, Ethipoia).
Just believe me. They trusted me. They answered my many questions.
We ALL should be killed. That REALLY is their opinion. From the lowest-class analphabetic to University educated attorneys and doctors.
July 25th, 2011 10:19am
And I am very moderate. I support a Palestinian state. I am against the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
But I make no mistake - we all will be genocided if we lett them breed in our midst.
July 25th, 2011 10:21am
> It's to do with education, not nationality, though.
My thought exactly.
Re assimilation, I think it's more about group mentality. Immigrants who come from the same country tend to live close to each other. Initially for practical reasons (language problem, familiarity, etc) but later on it grows into what looks like an exclusive/closed community. We can see plenty of these everywhere.. Indian, Chinese, Korean, Mexican, and so on..
July 25th, 2011 10:23am
"Sounds like he's probably full of shit."
He's not. The majority of Norwegians don't want more Muslim immigrants. One interesting fact: According to the latest polls, youth between 15 and 29 were more likely to vote for FrP than any other party. They are very anti-immigration and conservative. It also happens to be the party the crazy killer dude was a member of.
The immigration problem is especially bad in Oslo where some schools have been completely taken over by immigrants and nobody even speaks Norwegian any more.
Some relatives of mine owned a hotel in a small Norwegian town and sold it to the government to house refugees. Violence shot through the roof, stabbings, rapes, killings. Not like in the US where immigrants typically come to work hard to make a better life for themselves and their families, as opposed to mooch off the government and behave like wild animals. (Yes I know that's not true for all of them, but it is a big problem in Norway.)
July 25th, 2011 11:37am
I once went on a holiday in an idyllic Norwegian nature reserve. We arrived in the tiny village of Drevsjö and took the next bus.
The bus driver told us that the day before, his colleague on the bus had been stebbed to death by a muslim asylumn seeker who refused to pay.
That area has an asylumn seeker housing project, where they get jobs, rooms, food etc. They are free to go in and out.
And they often rape Norwegian women and kill Norwegian men.
July 25th, 2011 11:45am
There's clearly a crazy sand desert modernity hating slice of Islamic thought - but it's hardly the mainstream - it's more a reactionary throwback to pre-Islamic village traditions.
IIRC a Koran-ically correct jihad doesn't even let you destroy civilian property, let alone maim people at random. Whether he wants to, or not, old Osama was closer to a Christian anti-nomialist than an old fashioned Saudi scholar.
The nordic countries are very culturally insular, and I think either they can stay that way OR they can have relatively open immigration. It's hard to have an open boarder and a closed society. It's their country, and they are, of course, entitled to that choice.
July 25th, 2011 3:38pm
The Nordic countries HAVE open immigration. Million of muslims in Sweden.
July 25th, 2011 5:49pm