Sanding our assholes with 150 grit. Slowly. Lovingly.

Not the Onion...

A country (not the United States) with an actual military might actual attack another country.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/iaf-plans-for-iran-attack/
Permalink Bot Berlin 
April 15th, 2012 10:07pm
Idiots.
Permalink Quant 
April 16th, 2012 3:16am
Doesn't bombing another country justify their responding by nuking yours?  Yes, idiots.
Permalink Kenny 
April 16th, 2012 9:48am
Well, "nuking" is usually a bit of an over-reaction, as the history of the Cold War dramatically demonstrates.

"Justify an invasion, or at the very least an attack" is more accurate.  Like Saddam's invasion of Kuwait, for instance.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
April 16th, 2012 9:58am
What about a dirty "little" nuke?
Permalink Kenny 
April 16th, 2012 10:03am
Hasn't happened so far, so what's your point?
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
April 16th, 2012 10:05am
On the other hand, doesn't "sabre rattling" by calling for the destruction of a soverign nation, then building up weapons to do so, justify something more than harsh language?
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
April 16th, 2012 10:09am
Sure. That's why there are sanctions imposed on Iran. They were ejected from SWIFT settlement mechanism, for example. Must be pretty painful for Iranian institutions.
Permalink Quant 
April 16th, 2012 10:24am
My point is that pre-emptive attacks justify the attack they are trying to pre-empt.
Permalink Kenny 
April 16th, 2012 10:25am
Depends how much data you have. I wouldn't mind a pre-emptive attack on Germany in 1939.
Permalink Quant 
April 16th, 2012 10:29am
With what army?
Permalink Kenny 
April 16th, 2012 10:34am
I'm not saying it was possible, just that I wouldn't mind it.
Permalink Quant 
April 16th, 2012 10:35am
Personally, I'm not complaining one iota about all the shit that happened back before I was born.

If it hadn't happened, there's a big chance I wouldn't be here today.

So, shit happens, and hard luck on the Jews that got gassed and so forth, but actually, the way history panned out, is the reason I'm typing this shit here. So no, no preemptive strike on Germany please.

Now, the Iran thing on the other hand!! Once again, shame on the US, and its client state Israel. Shame.
Permalink PigPen 
April 16th, 2012 11:30am
"My point is that pre-emptive attacks justify the attack they are trying to pre-empt."

This is a very good, and very dangerous point.  When the US pre-emptively attacked Iraq, based on the existence of WMD's (which, it turned out, did not exist), then the US was (and is) guilty of war crimes.

When Israel attacked pre-emptively in 1967 for the 6-day war, THAT was in response to Egypt's massive build-up along the Israeli border.

So my response to your point is: Yes, it's critically important to keep track of who did what, and when, if you're going to determine when a "pre-emptive attack" is actually justified.

It's all too common to get into a situation where somebody pre-emptively attacks someone on false pretenses.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
April 16th, 2012 11:53am
Pre-emptive strikes have worked very well for Israel (mostly) in the past. A pre-emptive strike on Iran, now, would be beyond stupid.

Bottom-line, Israeli pre-emptive strikes were never advertized before-hand. Odds are very high that it won't happen.
Permalink Bassanio's Creditor 
April 16th, 2012 2:19pm
>When Israel attacked pre-emptively in 1967 for the 6-day war,
>THAT was in response to Egypt's massive build-up along the
>Israeli border.

Which was pre-empted by Israeli saber-rattling.
Permalink Colm 
April 16th, 2012 2:36pm
"Bottom-line, Israeli pre-emptive strikes were never advertized before-hand. Odds are very high that it won't happen."

Quite true.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
April 16th, 2012 2:43pm
"So my response to your point is: Yes, it's critically important to keep track of who did what, and when"

In Middle East, "who started first" is the most naive question you can ask. Very quickly you start talking about Middle Ages, or even earlier history.
Permalink Quant 
April 17th, 2012 5:46pm
That's why you keep track, so you never have to ask.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
April 18th, 2012 7:21am
Keep track of what? You can't keep track of every who-killed-who, who-bombed-whose-village, who-massacred-whose-children.

It ain't easy, tallying the books of the dead.
Permalink Quant 
April 18th, 2012 7:36am
See?  You've clearly lost track.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
April 18th, 2012 8:00am
I didn't even try to track, there's simply no point.
Permalink Quant 
April 18th, 2012 8:10am

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