Y'all are a bunch of wankers!

Holy shit!

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/16844191.htm

What is going on?  Where are all these broken people coming from?  What the fuck do we do about it?
Permalink Send private email muppet 
March 6th, 2007 10:35am
I wouldn't call them broken, but twisted and deranged psychotics. Is it because their parents didn't discipline them, or is it drugs legal and/or illegal, or is it too much food coloring in their diet. Don't know, we can figure that out later. In the mean time, we need to get the death penalty in high gear. These people can not be allowed to continue their reigns of terror and madness.
Permalink Practical Economist 
March 6th, 2007 11:48am
Joint family. Grandparents present would keep the parents under check. Mostly. This couple as grandparents is equally dangerous for their grandchildren.
Permalink Send private email के. जे. 
March 6th, 2007 11:50am
Are you honestly arguing that grandparents living in an abusive home will prevent all abuse from occuring?

YOU ARE a dope smoking, whacked-out Indian.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
March 6th, 2007 12:02pm
"In the mean time, we need to get the death penalty in high gear. These people can not be allowed to continue their reigns of terror and madness."

How do you figure the death penalty would stop this issue, as opposed to, say, lifetime imprisonment? A psychopath won't be deterred by harsh punishment.

Note that I'm not against the death penalty, but this is not the case for it.
Permalink Send private email Flasher T 
March 6th, 2007 12:08pm
Lifetime imprisonment is expensive.  Death is cheap.

I happen to believe that we don't have the right to impose death on anyone, but I admit that I don't have a good solution short of creating a new Australia.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
March 6th, 2007 12:10pm
No. But it would go a long way to help the child being protected.

And everything needn't be "All or None", "Double or Nothing". Shades of grey and hues between the greys and all that.
Permalink Send private email के. जे. 
March 6th, 2007 12:10pm
What makes you think that the presence of grandparents in the home will make any statistical difference?  The father is whacked the fuck out.  Where do you think he got it from?

It's a fallacy to believe that grandparents are somehow imbued with mystical wisdom of some kind.  Grandparents can be just as fucking crazy as parents.  Grandparents have killed parents, grandchildren, family pets.  What makes Grandparents unassailable and incorruptable in your eyes?
Permalink Send private email muppet 
March 6th, 2007 12:11pm
Re-read both my posts in this thread. There are qualifications. And it is naive to expect statements on human nature without qualifications.
Permalink Send private email के. जे. 
March 6th, 2007 12:13pm
Even with your qualifications it's a ludicrous assertion.  Adding grandparents to the home is about as statistically significant as adding a gerbil.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
March 6th, 2007 12:14pm
Luckily for the kid, he's got a chance of not remembering all this. 24-30 months being a cut-off for infantile memories.

That's what they say. I remember getting lost at 20 months on the way to my grandparents' summer cottage and stepping on a nail, but that could be just the family's subsequent retelling of the story.
Permalink Send private email strawberry snowflake 
March 6th, 2007 12:16pm
>> Adding grandparents to the home is about as statistically significant as adding a gerbil.

I pity you. And the fact that you actualy mean it forces me to say, I really pity you.
Permalink Send private email के. जे. 
March 6th, 2007 12:18pm
I clearly remember having diapers changed, etc, at ages well under 2 years.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
March 6th, 2007 12:19pm
"I pity you. And the fact that you actualy mean it forces me to say, I really pity you."

It has nothing to do with me, fruitcake.  I don't say this because I hate grandparents and think they're all nutjobs.  I say it because I KNOW that many of them are nutjobs.  If you accept that there are parents who will murder each other, or attempt to murder each other, then you must also accept that there are grandparents who will do the same.

Increasing the number of potentially crazy people in a household is NOT going to result in any increased protection of children in any uniform way.  To believe it will is to believe in fairies.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
March 6th, 2007 12:21pm
>> f you accept that there are parents who will murder each other, or attempt to murder each other, then you must also accept that there are grandparents who will do the same.

I explicitly did. It was not me who made blanket statements about grandparents. Or for that matter, about gerbils.
Permalink Send private email के. जे. 
March 6th, 2007 12:25pm
I have to agree with muppet here... in functional families, joint families can be great, but in dysfunctional families it causes as many problems as it solves.
Permalink the great purple 
March 6th, 2007 12:27pm
Gerbils under a certain age will not retain memories of traumatic events. It's best to use the young'uns.
Permalink anonymous hordes 
March 6th, 2007 12:27pm
> in functional families, joint families can be great, but in dysfunctional families it causes as many problems as it solves.

Has something to do with having thicker skins to the outside than to each other. Thin skins are good for the exchange of oxygen, nutrients, values. They are also more permeable to the exchange of piss and vinegar.

Reflection on communities, of biological cells or of people.
Permalink anonymous hordes 
March 6th, 2007 12:32pm
It's a TRUE statement.  Your (partial, qualified) solution to the problem of domestic violence is joint families.  This is a ludicrous proposition.

It is 100% accurate to say that adding grandparents to a home will be as effective at stopping domestic violence as adding small furry pets would be.

This is NOT in any way a comparison of grandparents to rodents in any context EXCEPT their efficacy in staunching household violence.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
March 6th, 2007 12:32pm
The more I learn about the world, the more I believe that there are no solutions.  We just have to muddle through best we can.
Permalink the great purple 
March 6th, 2007 12:36pm
Well, now I think of it, if the wife's parents had been living with them, then the guy might have had to stab them first and the wife could have gotten away while the 2 yr old was still busy stabbin' grandpa.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
March 6th, 2007 12:37pm
>> It's a TRUE statement.  Your (partial, qualified) solution to the problem of domestic violence is joint families.  This is a ludicrous proposition.

You mean to say that wives will throw rolling pins at husbands even if her in-laws are present in the kitchen? That  grandpa and grandma won't take their little cutie-pies away ino the garden or to their rooms while mom calls the cops with dad still swinging the belt? That grandpa won't gruffly yell at dad to keep it down and that dad won't even turn his head to retort to his dad?

You sir, are just trolling.
Permalink Send private email के. जे. 
March 6th, 2007 12:40pm
"You mean to say that wives will throw rolling pins at husbands even if her in-laws are present in the kitchen? That  grandpa and grandma won't take their little cutie-pies away ino the garden or to their rooms while mom calls the cops with dad still swinging the belt? That grandpa won't gruffly yell at dad to keep it down and that dad won't even turn his head to retort to his dad? "

I fully believe that the scenarios you've described will be true some of the time.

If you believe that there are no other scenarios, including grandpa helping wifey beat the shit out of his son-in-law over a protracted argument, then you're crazier than the stabby guy.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
March 6th, 2007 12:43pm
>> If you believe that there are no other scenarios.....

I don't. Hence my qualified statements.
Permalink Send private email के. जे. 
March 6th, 2007 12:50pm
"Luckily for the kid, he's got a chance of not remembering all this. 24-30 months being a cut-off for infantile memories.

That's what they say. I remember getting lost at 20 months on the way to my grandparents' summer cottage and stepping on a nail, but that could be just the family's subsequent retelling of the story."

I remember lots of stuff from when I was an infant. This would be cool except I also remember getting changed and breastfeeding.
Permalink Me 
March 6th, 2007 12:51pm
"I don't. Hence my qualified statements."

You qualified by saying "Mostly."

So, you believe that grandparents will MOSTLY not be crazy.

Well, parents are also MOSTLY not crazy, but this lady still got stabbed.

Given that mental illness runs in families and his hereditary, what makes you think that adding grandparents will prevent this sort of violence, accepting that for this sort of violence to occur, mental instability must be present (in both generations)?
Permalink Send private email muppet 
March 6th, 2007 12:57pm
In this specific case, I think the child would have been sheltered. Proof? None. Just my understanding of human nature over the years.
Permalink Send private email के. जे. 
March 6th, 2007 1:00pm
> I also remember getting changed and breastfeeding

I don't hold a degree in development psychology. 'That's what they say' is what they [those who have such credentials] say. I think the conventional wisdom is that accuracy of memories drops off sharply below that age. Some/many remembered things were not events and some/many events are not remembered.

Since everyone gets changed/fed (and you as an adult knows this) it's difficult to know what's a memory and what's back projection. Having said that, there is no doubt exceptions to the norm exist. I just hope that kid is not one of them, and that brain cells that processed 'go stab your mommy just like I showed you, sweetheart' are recycled for other purposes.
Permalink Send private email strawberry snowflake 
March 6th, 2007 1:08pm
"Given that mental illness runs in families and his hereditary, what makes you think that adding grandparents will prevent this sort of violence, accepting that for this sort of violence to occur, mental instability must be present (in both generations)?

I am not qualified to say one way or the other, but how do you know this is true?
Permalink Send private email Rick, try writing better English 
March 6th, 2007 1:45pm
The bovious solution is that it should be a grandparent from each of their families.

I mean they are old and probably tired of their spouses anyway. They could just trade up for their grandchildren's grandparent. They could even rotate which pair lived with them.

That should mitigate the risk of ending up with two crazies to some degree.
Permalink Send private email JoC 
March 6th, 2007 2:05pm

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