RIP Philo

What's after Ajax?

Don't mind the stupid headline.  I've also had the thought that AJAX is a cross platform nightmare.  Flash seems like a potential alternative.  Dare complains about "going back to a technology which is single sourced and controlled by a single vendor."  I'm sympathetic, but maybe that's the price you pay to avoid a cross platform nightmare.

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Permalink zed 
March 6th, 2007 3:57pm
Comet... then a mixture of strong ammonia and rock salt if that doesn't get it.
Permalink Send private email JoC 
March 6th, 2007 4:00pm
Flex has been a working alternative to AJAX for about two years now, but nobody seems to want to use it.
Permalink Colm 
March 6th, 2007 4:01pm
Hmm. I'll try again.
Permalink zed 
March 6th, 2007 4:01pm
Heh. I wasn't meaning to murder your thread.
Permalink Send private email JoC 
March 6th, 2007 4:02pm
AJAX: for your mobile phone!
Permalink Michael B 
March 6th, 2007 4:07pm
Flex requires you lock yourself into an expensive server side framework. No thanks.
Permalink son of parnas 
March 6th, 2007 4:09pm
No worries Joc.  I'm going to post everything in duplicate from now on[1].  Once for the serious technical discussion and once for the cot comedy show.  Oh, look, the serious technical discussion thread is empty.....




[1] Or until I forget about it  [2]
[2] like I did the post a day consolidated zed branding exercise
Permalink zed 
March 6th, 2007 4:10pm
javascript for the server.

really. I can't be the only one for whom switching languages is jarring (pardon the pun).
Permalink Send private email strawberry snowflake 
March 6th, 2007 4:25pm
maybe XForms.

http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/views/xml/libraryview.jsp?search_by=introduction+to+xforms

Though that's for cruddy people.

The more mature the technology the less frequent the changes. Who thinks we've entered IT's gradualism stage?

That should be a boon for older developers (we still use CGI!) and disheartening to younger ones (go do biotech or something). Sorry, not every generation gets to hold onto a revolution.
Permalink Send private email strawberry snowflake 
March 6th, 2007 4:41pm
(good christ our moderation sucks)
Permalink zed 
March 6th, 2007 5:37pm
Anyone looked at Adobe's Apollo?
Permalink son of parnas 
March 6th, 2007 5:53pm
>javascript for the server.

netscape server had this back in 1997 and it really sucked.
Permalink hello. 
March 6th, 2007 6:14pm
It occurs to me that Ajax is a treatment for the symptom of our discovery that web-based browser interfaces basically suck ass compared to client/server apps.

I think people will discover that shoehorning everything into a browser/web-based solution just isn't the greatest thing to do and there will be a client/server renaissance.
Permalink Send private email JoC 
March 6th, 2007 6:25pm
There, that's more meaningful than comet... well, maybe not. But it is at least an effort of the best intent.
Permalink Send private email JoC 
March 6th, 2007 6:26pm
Hmm I'll go further, they should borrow a page from games and go to UDP. Games are responsive, right?
Permalink Send private email JoC 
March 6th, 2007 6:27pm
non-sucky js for the server then.
Permalink Send private email strawberry snowflake 
March 6th, 2007 6:27pm
Then you've got some people doing games that are going for the portability and convenience of browsers.... Pssh.

"But it takes 30 seconds for the button click to do anything!"
Permalink Send private email JoC 
March 6th, 2007 6:28pm
RE: Apollo:

Just watched http://www.demo.com/demonstrators/demo2007/91259.php

COOL!  I like!

Desktop app using html/javascript/flash, eh?  This could be pretty cool. 

Any opinions on Flex?
Permalink Kenny 
March 6th, 2007 6:31pm
Server price sticker shock.
Permalink trollop 
March 6th, 2007 7:07pm
>>non-sucky js for the server then.

http://www.xindesk.com
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