RIP Philo

I'm just not offended by this

republican political jokes
March 10th, 2007 1:14pm
You arrogant prick! You actually think people are going to read your links!  HUBRIS! CoT does not deign to read your links.
Permalink zed 
March 10th, 2007 1:23pm
"It is true that I said Britney Spears looked great at the Academy Awards -- and I later found out it was Jack Nicholson."

Everyone should be offended by these sorts of jokes. There is no evidence that Britney looks like Jack, nor that they attended the Oscars together.
Permalink Practical Economist 
March 10th, 2007 1:33pm
Hey hold on - is this really the joke everyone is pissed about?

On March 8, Fox News chairman and CEO Roger Ailes joked: "[I]t is true that [Sen.] Barack Obama [D-IL] is on the move. I don't know if it's true that President Bush called [Pakistani President Pervez] Musharraf and said: 'Why can't we catch this guy?' "

Didn't they make the same joke on 30 Rock, as a slam against the person SPEAKING, as opposed to against Sen. Obama?

How is what Ailes said different than Jenna's quip? (I'm honestly curious)
Permalink Philo 
March 10th, 2007 1:51pm
Not identical, but the same obamma osamma confusion thing at the core.  No offense here.
Permalink zed 
March 10th, 2007 1:56pm
So the point is - isn't the joke on the speaker? As in "I'm so foolish I can't keep them straight" as opposed to suggesting that Obama is actually a terrorist?
Permalink Philo 
March 10th, 2007 2:51pm
Yes. The joke is on whoever confused Obama and Osamma.

It's like:

It's true that Obama is running around...

Don't know if it's true that Bush called and asked Musharaff why we can't catch this guy....

The joke is on Bush.  Maybe the lefties think conflating Obama and Osama is offensive regardless.  Maybe they are just trying to take political or economic advantage.
Permalink zed 
March 10th, 2007 2:55pm
Great clip! I guess that democratic committee missed that episode.
Permalink Practical Economist 
March 10th, 2007 3:02pm
Obama/Osama confusion may on the surface be a joke on Bush, but it takes advantage of an existing (and now politically unimportant) meme - that GWB is a dumbass - with the intent of establishing a new meme.

The new meme is that Obama is some kind of muslim Manchurian candidate.  It's the same thing as emphasizing his middle name is Hussein, or (falsely) claiming that he was educated at a Madrassa.
Permalink X 
March 10th, 2007 3:04pm
That's a fucking stretch.
Permalink Send private email Philo 
March 10th, 2007 3:43pm
BTW, 30 Rock is written and produced by Tina Fey, who is more viciously Democratic than SoP.
Permalink Send private email Philo 
March 10th, 2007 3:44pm
Maybe or maybe not "intent" of establishing the Manchurian meme

However, definitely playing on the same theme as the Manchurian meme.

Don't think so?  Ask yourself if the same joke would still be considered funny, or even a joke at all, if you could twist a white candidate's name (McCain or Edwards) to sound a bit like a muslim terrorist's name?
Permalink X 
March 10th, 2007 5:25pm
I don't know what you're laughing at - I'm laughing at the idiocy of the person making the mistake.

"The President has also issued a warrant for the arrest of another terrorist. We only know him as 'Babdul' but he apparently is wickedly armed..."

The Obama/Osama thing is funny due to a coincidence of naming, then a play on a lack of awareness of political events (which usually works best when Bush is the target). The only unusual thing about the joke would be to question if it's too simple a joke because it's sitting in plain sight.

Thinking it's some kind of meme or targeting Obama only because he's got an African-sounding name is just the same old liberal tendency to take offense at everything.
Permalink Send private email Philo 
March 10th, 2007 5:42pm
We already established that he was educated at a madrassa. Obama clearly states that he went to a muslim school in his last book.
Permalink Practical Economist 
March 10th, 2007 6:09pm
I don't think of Tina Fey as a Democrat. She seems more Independent to me.
Permalink Practical Economist 
March 10th, 2007 6:10pm
Looking for Babdul the terrorist works for me. It's funny, subtle, and very clever.
Permalink Practical Economist 
March 10th, 2007 6:12pm

It depends on your definition of "madrassa."

Certainly part of a republican campaign to associate Obama with muslim.
Permalink politico 
March 10th, 2007 6:19pm
No he didn't go to a Madrassa. You admitted as much, eventually, last time this came up, and then switched to the tack that maybe he wasn't honest enough about his background.

In common English usage,  Madrassa means a Sunni Islamic religious school. Reference:

Obama went to a public school in Indonesia. As Indonesia ia a majority muslim country, there were muslims in his school. But Indonesians wouldn't call his school a Madrasah either.

So in English and Indonesian definitions, Obama didn't go to a Madrasah.

Last time we had this discussion,  your defense of the word was Madrasah, was that in classical Arabic, madrasah means any school.  Which is true, but irrelevant.  If that was the definition of madrasah that is being used, then everybody who went to school, anywhere, went to a madrasah, even GWB, McCain, Edwards, Hillary Clinton, etc.  And you know, that isn't the definition of Madrasah that is in common usage in the US, nor intended in reference to Obama.  Fox News doesn't talk about the "Columbine Madrasah", etc.,
Permalink X 
March 10th, 2007 6:24pm
See, on that case I'll agree 100% the "Obama went to Madrasa" thing was an attempted smear job (by Fox News though, not the RNC, for those who still consider them two separate organizations, which is debatable)
Permalink Send private email Philo 
March 10th, 2007 8:33pm
whoever came up with the 'Manchurian meme' phrase is fucking awesome. kudos. that shit's worthy of Aaron Sorkin.
Permalink Send private email strawberry snowflake 
March 10th, 2007 8:59pm
Let me repeat this because you seem very slow: Obama states in his own book that he went to a "muslim school".

So, if the question is whether he went to a muslim school, the answer is YES, according to Obama. You want to say he DIDN'T go to a muslim school, then your argument is that Obama is lying.
Permalink Practical Economist 
March 11th, 2007 6:11am
He went to a school where most of the pupils were muslims.  You could even call that a muslim school.

So what?

That isn't what is meant in ordinary English, Indonesian or by Fox News when they say "Madrasah". A Madrassah is a used to mean school which is focused principally, often only, on religious instruction.

You're cheating by redefining the word Madrassah.  Nobody says "Madrassah" went to refer to _any_, _ordinary_, _public_ school in a majority muslim area, such as Pakistan, Indonesia, Dearborn Michigan or Bradford England. When they say Madrassah they mean a specific subset of schools in these areas.
March 11th, 2007 6:32am
Al Gore invented the internet, which is a bunch of tubes, depending on what the meaning of "is" is.