RIP Philo

What's your excuse?

"... "...four kinds of behavior — empathy, the ability to learn and follow social rules, reciprocity and peacemaking — are the basis of sociality."

Gee, even apes are capable of these behaviors!  Why, then, aren't the people on internet forums?
Permalink Tired of bad behavior 
March 22nd, 2007 7:28am
read the fine print ...

>> People enforce their society’s moral codes much more rigorously with rewards, punishments and reputation building. They also apply a degree of judgment and reason, for which there are no parallels in animals.

I don't really know why there are professors of ethics. It's not very difficult (the study of, rather than the application of).

>> The reasoning [for a moral choice] came afterward as a post hoc justification. “Human behavior derives above all from fast, automated, emotional judgments, and only secondarily from slower conscious processes,” Dr. de Waal writes.
Permalink Send private email strawberry snowflake 
March 22nd, 2007 9:15am
Because humans are computers. We have capabilities that include all these wonderful abilities, but we also have the opposite. And when to use either is mostly a matter of nurture, not nature.
Permalink son of parnas 
March 22nd, 2007 9:21am
Nurture's a loaded word when dealing with morality. Does it mean environmental/cultural like language skill, programming-the-VCR skills, knowing-which-celebrity-is-in-rehab-this-week skills (none of which are actively nurtured)? Or does it mean active parenting, like, (I don't know, it's hard to find good examples as 'do what I say not what I do' doesn't go far in a child's head, and acting like others act is more like environmental nurture)?

Also to the OP ... they never did study apes in anonymous Internet forums did they? What makes you think apes would act differently from humans? You know, not steal a dancing banana, when no one was looking or could identify them?
Permalink Send private email strawberry snowflake 
March 22nd, 2007 9:49am
Nurture is both those things.

Nature/nurture is just another way of saying instinctual/environmental.
Permalink JoC 
March 22nd, 2007 10:23am
We're assholes on the Internet as well, actually.
Permalink Great Ape (standard edition) 
March 22nd, 2007 11:58am
Quite true
Permalink Kwyjibo 
March 22nd, 2007 6:04pm

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