woo hoo, flying saucers for everyone!
"Of the 1,600 cases registered since 1954, nearly 25 percent are classified as "type D", meaning that "despite good or very good data and credible witnesses, we are confronted with something we can't explain," Patenet said."
interesting. I never understood why government agencies are keeping this stuff under wraps.
Because there's enough nut-cases in the world?
Because quite a few of the sightings were of 'flying wing' designs the Military didn't want the world to know about?
Because the "stealth" fighter and bomber account for a few sightings?
Because if they DON'T take them seriously, it gives them cover for the stuff they're doing that they don't want us to know about?
March 22nd, 2007 8:35pm
> Because if they DON'T take them seriously, it gives them cover for the stuff they're doing that they don't want us to know about?
Like three martini lunches with the aliens' commander.
March 23rd, 2007 12:08am
I've never really figured out why it should be so utterly impossible that maybe some aliens might pay us a visit.
another g'n't, drrooofarkbuns?
March 23rd, 2007 4:15am
Don't mind if I do. Chin chin!
March 23rd, 2007 6:25am
Well, when you factor in the billions of stars in the universe, and how freaking far away everything is, and how slow the speed of light is compared to how freeking far away everything is, and THEN you add in that "intelligent life" has only been on this planet about 160,000 years, and THAT'S if you are very lenient on your definition of "intelligent".
If you factor all that in, as I say, how would they 'find' us? And why would they want to?
And THAT'S IF it's possible (which we don't think it is right now) to travel faster than the speed of light. If it is in fact NOT possible, why travel hundreds of years from where you are to get to us?
I mean, shoot, we can't even apply the resources we HAVE to reach Mars. Why should somebody ELSE apply the resources THEY have to travel hundreds of light-years to reach us?
March 23rd, 2007 9:40am
Short answer -- we just ain't that special, compared to the distances and speeds available.
March 23rd, 2007 9:40am
well, that's fine. Except that just about all of it could have been said by some native dude standing on teh coast of Venezuela in 1498.
It's basically a case of judging everything out there as if it's us. Which by definition, it isn't.
March 23rd, 2007 10:02am
Except the Venezuela dude didn't know that Spain needed Venezuelan gold. And that a slave population would serve them fine.
Sure, if you hypothesize a Galactic Civilization with the morals of 1600's Spain, with a huge need for what we have, we're in a world of trouble. Otherwise, I think your analogy is specious.
There's LOTS of resources much closer to any hypothetical Galactic Civilization than us. I say this because we're still here, and because of the distances involved. And even in our own solar system, the asteroid belt has lots of resources, much easier to get at and haul away for an Outsider than something on Earth.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if some Galactic Civilization made First Contact and taught us how to fly through Hyperspace, and made it possible for the Human species to reach the stars. But the question was why haven't they done it yet.
Which is probably the same answer your Venezuelan would have understood -- they haven't found us yet.
March 23rd, 2007 10:40am
so - let's hypothesise some more - let's say there WAS such a civilisation out there, but they were morally as far in advance as they were scientifically (by no means a given).
What *would* they do on finding us? (maybe just "ugh" and hit the hyperdrive ...)
What was the Venezuelans' reaction to the Spanish interest in their gold, anyhow? Did they place as high a value on it themselves?
March 23rd, 2007 11:12am
I believe after the Spaniards defeated the Venezuelans (Aztecs at the time?) and enslaved their population, and used them as slave labor to mine gold, and took the 'sacred' golden object from their temples, that nobody really cared what the Venezuelans thought.
March 23rd, 2007 11:47am
sure. It's just about the analogy.
March 23rd, 2007 11:53am
I can't see anything wrong with the 'Predator' scenario, if they have the technology to get here they're not going to be particularly interested in stealing, enslaving or invading.
March 23rd, 2007 12:35pm
Exactly. Because there's LOTS more simple places, closer, to go invading and resource raiding.
March 23rd, 2007 1:39pm