Y'all are a bunch of wankers!

Anybody like the thinkpad laptops.

I have this older thinkpad that has gone through hell.  I have left it in the cold, dropped it several times.  Only issue is the battery life.

I have been reading reviews on the newer ones and the seem pretty nice.  And heard bad reviews about dell laptops.
Permalink Bot On Ubuntu 
March 29th, 2007 8:45pm
Do they still have the force sensitive joystick in the keyboard? If so, get a thinkpad. I love the joystick. There is nothing finer.
Permalink Practical Economist 
March 29th, 2007 8:46pm
I love my Dell, but I do lament the lack of the joystick (I call it a mouse nipple).
Permalink Send private email muppet 
March 29th, 2007 8:57pm
The Dell's don't have the Trackpoint any more?  They used to have it and the touchpad.  The HP laptops have both.

Jerry Pournelle likes the thinkpads...

Permalink Send private email Ward 
March 29th, 2007 9:01pm
Permalink Bot On Ubuntu 
March 29th, 2007 9:01pm
Swizzle stick. Love my T23. Gonna buy it one of these flash disks when I can justify it:

Permalink trollop 
March 29th, 2007 9:07pm
I like my T43p.  It's significantly better than the Dell M-65 that work got me.  It's thinner, lighter, and the mouse nipple is more accurate and doesn't freakout.
Permalink xampl 
March 29th, 2007 9:32pm
I have only had my Thinkpad Z60T for a little less than 16 month and already the 7 cell battery is shot. It's kinda depressing because most of the time I am hooked up to the outlet so I am not really utilizing it. I did this specifically so that I'd have more battery life to work with. But unless you set the settings just right and not charge up any time you hook up to the AC you are killing the thing. That's what I learned being a newbie lappy owner. Anyway, now days it runs for an hour and dies on conservative power settings. And conservative power settings is an aweful way to compute. Wait wait wait for the Pentium M to do anything. Time-wise: not even a feature length movie.

If you check out dynamism.com it's apparant we are in the age of 4-6 hours of realistic battery life even on ultra-light lappies. The future is bright, wait for the future to get here.
Permalink Send private email Li-fan Chen 
March 29th, 2007 10:08pm
I am on my thinkpad now, the batteries seem to be the main issue with the thinkpads.  But other than that, I cant find too much negative about them.
Permalink Bot Berlin from Cafe 
March 29th, 2007 10:18pm
Other than that hmmmm.... more brain dumps then:

Pros: keyboard is pretty fantastic. But the more you like the keyboard the more you'll use it. And the sooner it will break on you. So get three years warranty so you don't have to shell out hundreds for replacement keyboard components.

Pros: Hmmm, what else is really good. Oh, yes, IBM has their idea of how Control panel widgets should work. They overhauled and wrote themselves their own power managers, dial-up managers, mouse managers, you name it. If you don't patch it--the one that comes in the box is buggy, and will eat weeks of your life if you don't kill yourself first. So err--that's a Con isn't it? But if you figure out how to patch it, and if they freaking bother to patch it, it works pretty well. Drivers are for the most part well written for the OS it is designed for.

I have been coding with it for a year and as long as I have a 19" or larger external LCD to go with it for most of the day I can't complain. It's only 4-5 pounds and it is a pretty nice machine.


* Again, battery life just sucks.

I develop fairly large sites for companies and so I need a lot of ram. I put in 2 gigs (which I rarely use up all) but I think it utilizies more battery juice than the 512MB slab.

In the reviews you'll find that IBM is usually pretty average in battery life, never too exceptional in this department, but you can shell extras to use the drive bay for another battery. But you really want to utilize the best technology available to make all-day-computing happen. And that sometimes means you may have to forego getting a Thinkpad.

Battery life is paramount if you put your life into the lappy. Sales folks live inside Outlook. Students live inside OneNote. Everyone live inside Word. So you are interacting with your notebook all the time. And chances are you aren't stocking your lappy with some flash drive so you are wasting a lot of juice booting up, shutting down, hibernating. And stand-bys can eat up quite a bit of juice keeping those 2GB slabs alive.

So keep repeating this to yourself: battery life-battery life-battery life and get a lappy that does justice for your dollars in this department.

That means flash hard drives, very low power systems, 1.5GB of ram or less for Vista and your top 10 most oft used apps (yeah people are saying optimally you'll need 8GB for Vista to vroom--so this will suck).

If you have your more critical apps running plus even AVG, your hard drive will be used ALL THE TIME. That whole story about spin-downs is a major joke. It will not spin down. I got this drilled into my head even back then with Windows 95--I can't never find any settings that will let the hard drive spin down for more than a minute. Ofcourse this is a crowd of really smart folks so YMM--will-most-definitely-V. If you get this working best lemme know. I WANT TO KNOW.

This just tells us we have millions of users with "ZOMG PONIES!!!! WTB $500 64GB NAND FLASH IDE LAWL K THX BYE" floating above their head. These things will use less battery. Cause less spin-ups--well--eliminate spin-ups. And you can pop in a secondary hard drive into the CD-ROM bay that you can actually make fall asleep for Near-Access-Material. I don't know when we are there, but I am so going to buy that thing. If a Thinkpad comes with this thing, plus Tablet features, I am sold--no questions asked.

There's a lot more I can say about it and in fact I have. Mostly on Joel On Software. Do a search and you'll find some long write-ups. Peace, out.
Permalink Send private email Li-fan Chen 
March 29th, 2007 10:26pm
Bot, what's your Thinkpad's spec? What's your top ten apps you always use on it?
Permalink Send private email Li-fan Chen 
March 29th, 2007 10:31pm
800 mhz 512 MB thinkpad 23.  I run linux ubuntu, mostly Eclipse.
Permalink Bot Berlin from Cafe 
March 29th, 2007 11:14pm
Lithium ion laptop batteries are reckoned to have a life of two years if you don't charge them a lot, and posssibly less if you do.

So 16 months is not disastrous.

I reckon the price of cheap laptops is partially explained by crappy batteries. My HP business laptop has three to four hours battery life, but my home Acer needs two batteries to play a DVD.
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March 30th, 2007 11:17am
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