bored, so responded to headhunter...
Ah, well. I AM a spoiled, entitled brat who thinks the world owes me something. Thus, the following response to a decent recruiter email who was "touching base" this morning:
Thank you for thinking of me. I am not in the market. My skillset is
a mix of sales, programming, and pre-sales support, and best suited
to small packaged software development firms that customize their
product, of which there are few in Chicago. My current employer
cannot afford to pay me more than $75K, and no firm has been able
to justify hiring me for the $80K-90K + bonuses I believe I am worth :)
In addition, I find searching for new jobs distasteful, as inevitably,
it boils down to alphabet soup rather than an assessment of actual
abilities, and after the first or second interview, they decide don't
really want to pay me 80K or better. I have decided that the actual
reasons are probably due to the fact that the skills that make me
worth that much or more are difficult to assess and the hiring manager
therefore perceives he/she is "taking a chance". Why take a chance
when you can get a "better" resume from a more conservative,
knuckled-under corporate hair guy.
As a result, the next time I put myself in the market, I will most
likely be self-employed, or at the very least, move to a city with
good opportunities and open minds, such as San Francisco, New York, or
Again, thank you for your time and consideration.
P.S. Any sarcasm or lack of professionalism you perceive in this
letter is the result of years of irritating conversations about my
career. As I head toward 40 years old, I'm fed up.
I'm sure he stopped reading after "I am not in the market".
Eh. If he jumped down to the P.S., he probably went back and read the whole thing looking for 'unprofessionalism'. Being a headhunter, I'm sure he gets this kind of stuff all the time.
In fact, he may respond to you immediately (should he have a position 80K to 90K plus bonuses) to try to cheer you up.
March 30th, 2007 12:48pm
I'm sure he stopped reading after "I am not on the market". The rest of it, while an interesting rant, was either over his head or utterly irrelevant.
I am convinced that as soon as you go against their agenda in any way, headhunters stop reading. They want optimistic and stupid dumbasses ready to be screwed.
I play it slightly differently. I tease out the terms and the rate (rate because I am a contractor.) And then I always make a point to tell them that the rate they are offering is absolute bottom feeding crap, which it always is because the top rate any bodyshop has offered me in my area is about 1/2 what I bill my clients directly for.
Besides all this, the jobs and contracts that headhunters and bodyshops offer is always the picked over remnants that nobody else wanted. The best jobs are taken before a recruiter ever hears about them.
March 30th, 2007 1:17pm
I love a good rant.
OTOH, why not fill the "appearance gap" and make 90K which appears to be the 50th percentile for 'Computer Programmer' in Chicago?
March 30th, 2007 1:44pm
Because it's an imaginary limitation. Sharkfish isn't limited by her qualifications or her competence. She's limited by her worldview but blames it on everything but.
March 30th, 2007 1:47pm
That's close to my take on it. still, getting those skills she thinks are holding her back might break the worldview.
March 30th, 2007 1:50pm
Which is why she won't close the gap. Intuitively, she knows how to reinforce her worldview and won't take steps to alter it.
March 30th, 2007 1:55pm
It's worth 15k to play the role of the iconoclast.
March 30th, 2007 2:11pm
Coming from the guy who bitched and moaned about how there are no good jobs in Connecticut, while someone you openly cut down and disparage on these forums managed to trounce you with a better salary and benefits. In Connecticut.
"...getting those skills she thinks are holding her back might break the worldview."
I'm already working on it. I've spoken about that many times.
The problem is, people with lesser skills don't need to do what I have to do to build my resume. Sure, I'm whining. "why should I have to spend x dollars for crap to put on my rez when others with corporate hair don't have to."
But that's my prerogative.
To my knowlege Dana hasn't got a better salary or benefits than I do, and I haven't cut her down, either, even though I know that's who you're obviously referring to.
And you can attack me personally all you want, sharky, I don't claim to be faultless. That doesn't make my appraisal of you any less accurate.
March 30th, 2007 2:52pm
So what you are saying is we have the same problem, according to your "assessment", since clearly, Dana found a good job that you say doesn't exist for you even though your GREATNESS entitles you to such.
Dana found a position that would never be of any interest to me. It's not programming. It's data massage. Data massage is not what I do.
Calm down. I know incisive analysis pisses you off, but you're going to have to grow up one day.
March 30th, 2007 4:13pm
I don't get it. "I have no skills and I interview horribly." Why is that considered a rant?
March 30th, 2007 4:14pm
Some sick internet SOB/stalker will hunt down the OP's employer and show him this letter. Obviously they can pay her less.
March 30th, 2007 4:20pm
'"I don't get it. "I have no skills and I interview horribly." Why is that considered a rant?'
Where did I say I interview horribly?
My skills make money for my employer. That means I'm not sitting in front of code all day--only some of the day. The rest, I'm actively getting customers to give us money and I'm successful at it. For this skillset I should be paid a premium.
After an interview the hiring manager decides not to "take a chance" on you. You call that interviewing successfully?
March 30th, 2007 6:24pm
"After an interview the hiring manager decides not to "take a chance" on you. You call that interviewing successfully?"
They decide to pay me less than they would if I were their otherwise perfect person. If I were a tall skinny white man with perfect hair, I'd be making six figures because I can sell crappy software to anyone. But I'm not a tall skinny white man with perfect hair, so they won't go by my track record even though I have proof of my past successes. They still think they are taking a chance. So instead of 80-90K, it is always something lower, because that's what they can get away with.
This happens to all women with exceptions of course, when they compete in certain fields. It is called life.
And that's why I don't worry about being recruited for my dream job anymore. It won't happen without some magical fairy tale white man blessing me with their approval.
OH wait, you are baiting me.
By the way, a stone cold racist Polish guy admitted to me his wife did accounting for a mid-size firm and they had other accountants that worked there. She was the lead. They refrained from viewing salary info about each other, until she accidentally gave in and took a look. Turns out that the young white males were being paid significantly more. She quit. Became a housewife, to my Polish office buddy.
That's life. That's why I just don't give a fuck about your baiting.
I love when people talk about me. :-)
March 30th, 2007 8:01pm
Yeah, let's get back to Dana (hey, everyone).
How is "data massage" separate from regular back-end IT programming? Unless you mean importing/exporting/cutting,pasting files using Excel as data-massage, that or you mainly work on front-ends, or the actual business rules of the application.
"It won't happen without some magical fairy tale white man blessing me with their approval."
I work for a Hindu Indian lady and a Vietnamese man about 5' tall at most. Heck, just about the whole dept in fixed-income seems really short.
Then again, maybe my tall Whiteness is substituting for Sharkfish's programming skill. ;-) This is my first real strictly-programming job. I've got to play catch up on the programming side of my abilities right now. Still getting into it day by day since I haven't worked such a job before.
I'm guessing here, but as Muppet uses the term, I think he means that "data massage" refers to a job mostly concerned with extracting data from a system and presenting it to users, rather than writing complicated programs to manipulate data or create web interfaces, etc.
There's nothing wrong with this kind of a job. I'm not that technical, and I like working with users.
And there ARE plenty of IT jobs in Connecticut. Maybe not in the Hartford area, but closer to NY, yes.
March 31st, 2007 10:31am
> white man blessing me with their approval
The only blessing the white man give is money. And that's how they control everything. People's greed.
son of parnas
March 31st, 2007 11:10am
From my decades of experience reading internet quibbling I have concluded the following:
I have no physical proof but they sure act the part.
March 31st, 2007 5:33pm
Well, if that's the case, then they've been old and fat for at least six years. lol.
> just about the whole dept in fixed-income seems really
fixed-income dept. ?
what is this crazy place?
March 31st, 2007 9:51pm
"sharkfish: old "
I dunno. Is 39 old to you? Shame. I just saw a 53 year old the physique of which many of you would/should envy, and not a wrinkle (Ethelda on The Gym, on FitTV)
Sharkfish, while I don't think this is true of you, I think a lot of women don't age well.
It's probably all about how old you looked in H.S., so to speak. If you looked young for your age then, then that can remain the case now.
I'm noticing that women (and men) can look great at 35, but by 40 we are usually fading fast (if not faded already). It's too bad a lot of people don't even see it til' they do hit 40. Or sometimes it takes longer, what are these women smoking! hehe. Some of them want a family (supposedly) and they are still kinda screwing around with their lives as they approach 40. Un..f*cking...believable.