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Alanis Morissette - You Oughta Know (JLPL)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L12VJO1ZO24
Permalink son of parnas 
April 2nd, 2007 11:47pm
"Anger is a cowardly extension of sadness"? WTF.

How dare anyone not allow me to be angry without labeling it cowardly. Fuck that.  Anger is anger.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
April 3rd, 2007 12:58am
I agree with sharky that anger and sadness are very very different. Not that one can't have a mix of the two, but they're almost on opposite sides of the causal/control chain (anger is what you feel when you don't have control, sadness when you have accepted that lack of control).
Permalink blahty heartsheep 
April 3rd, 2007 1:14am
Coward.
Permalink Send private email Alanis 
April 3rd, 2007 1:14am
Which comes first, the sadness or the anger?

Personally, I think sadness comes first (regret perhaps.  Perhaps sadness that our expectation of what would happen did not) followed closely by anger (that our expectation SHOULD have been met and was not!).  Followed some time later by depression, if our anger and actions have not either reached our expectations or our expectations have been corrected.

Personally, I feel the good use of anger is to restore boundaries that have been violated.  Negative uses of anger include using it to blame others -- violating THEIR boundaries, in a pointless attempt to justify ourselves.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
April 3rd, 2007 9:24am
> I feel the good use of anger is to restore boundaries

Even better is to destroy the boundaries so you can kill your enemies and make them weep.
Permalink conan 
April 3rd, 2007 9:39am
And hear the laments of the women and children.  Wait -- that's SADNESS again!
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
April 3rd, 2007 11:34am
why does sadness come first? examples?
Permalink blahty heartsheep 
April 3rd, 2007 12:12pm
How will your enemies weep if they're dead?
Permalink Send private email Сергей РахманиноB 
April 3rd, 2007 3:37pm
Misquoted.  Your enemies don't weep, because they ARE dead.  Their women and children weep.

Because, of course, you're an evolved barbarian, and you don't pick on women and children.  Besides, if you killed them, where would the next generation of household workers come from?
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
April 3rd, 2007 3:41pm
Nobody in this thread got it right. The quote is:

Old dude: Conan, what is best in life?

Conan: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women.

No mention of children.
Permalink Send private email Сергей РахманиноB 
April 3rd, 2007 3:49pm
"We're not worthy!"

Quite correct -- thanks for the right stuff.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
April 3rd, 2007 3:56pm

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