Sanding our assholes with 150 grit. Slowly. Lovingly.

Are there any non-programmers here?

I was reading this blog: http://tuxdeluxe.org/node/122

...and I read this line: "The community is more important than your employer"

...and it got me thinking that it would be really fun to do an open source project with you guys some day because I get the feeling that most of you are in this business because you love writing code... 

So if anybody has any good ideas for something "not so important", "challenging" and might be conducive to a collaborative effort, then please shout them out?

PS. I've never worked open source before, and I think I'd like to give it a try...
Permalink Send private email Kenny 
April 5th, 2007 10:24am
I'm trying to get the heck OUT of the business because I love writing code.

How's that, Susan?
Permalink Send private email muppet 
April 5th, 2007 10:46am
arg.  who has free time for this sort of thing?  it's all I can do to keep up with what I'm doing, and I have a husband who helps with housework, and I have no kids.
Permalink the great purple 
April 5th, 2007 10:50am
Kenny, I'm told there is something of that sort going on at blah right now. Pester ~~~~x for an invite.
Permalink Send private email (100+85)/2 
April 5th, 2007 10:53am
The way things are going this week, I think I qualify as a non-programmer.
{sigh}
Permalink xampl 
April 5th, 2007 11:29am
Last thing I want to do when I get off work is come home and do more of the same for free. Sheesh.
Permalink Practical Economist 
April 5th, 2007 11:35am
Why not?  That's what I do.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
April 5th, 2007 11:38am
Why not? Because I find there is more to life than coding.
Permalink Practical Economist 
April 5th, 2007 11:57am
So do I, but there's nothing wrong with coding as a hobby.

At work you use a phone I'll bet.  Do you abstain everywhere else?  I bet you eat lunch at work. Do you fast at home?

At work I bet you socialize with your co-workers.  Do you eschew socialization outside of work, since you'd be doing it "for free"?

You haven't quite thought your little offhand remark through.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
April 5th, 2007 11:59am
Chatting with friends on the phone or in person and eating are not among the tasks for which I am paid at work. It's labor. I get paid for labor at work. If I don't get paid, I don't like to do it so much. And yet I am extremely good at it. I know lots of people who 'love to code' who are lousy at it, just like there are plenty of kids who 'love to play baseball' and yet don't qualify for the major leagues.
Permalink Practical Economist 
April 5th, 2007 12:18pm
>>> You haven't quite thought your little offhand remark through.

Wow, talk about nit-picky.  There's a big difference between things you do that are incidental to your work (talking on the phone, eating) and the core of your work.
Permalink Send private email Ward 
April 5th, 2007 12:19pm
I breath at work. When I go home I still breath. It's a hobby of mine.
Permalink blahty heartsheep 
April 5th, 2007 12:26pm
In the same way that talking on the phone to coworkers and having meetings with coworkers is incidental to your job, so too is "programming".

You're not paid to "program".  You're paid to design solutions to business problems and then create an automated process to implement that solution.  "Programming" is incidental to the analysis. 

I bet some people do landscaping for a living.  I bet they still take care of their own lawns at home even though they're doing it gratis.

In short, you're still an idiot.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
April 5th, 2007 1:07pm
^^ and thus the tap was opened, wide.

"The way things are going this week, I think I qualify as a non-programmer."

Yeah... probably a little different, but I am almost done writing a 500+ line stored procedure worthy of tdwtf.

It has to match the format of a report that was previously produced via a manual copy-paste procedure involving multiple excel spreadsheets, so the format is not close to anything a any sane reporting mechanism would produce.
Permalink JoC 
April 5th, 2007 3:00pm
Funny (yet sad) reporting story for you.

We had a vendor doing some reports for us, and their on-site PM went to one of our DBAs and told them "Can you create us a view that joins this stuff for us?  Our guys can't figure it out, and the view would let us do a SELECT *, which would make things much easier."

Keep in mind, that this was what they were being paid to do.
Permalink xampl 
April 5th, 2007 3:30pm
wow... how do you not understand how to create a view if you know what one is???  it's frickin' drag and drop!
Permalink Send private email Kenny 
April 5th, 2007 3:41pm
"you're still an idiot"

Yawn. So did you solve that exponent problem or didn't you?
Permalink Practical Economist 
April 5th, 2007 4:27pm
Well, they /were/ somewhat challenged by the intricate hand motions needed for drag & drop, but mostly they had trouble with the problem domain.

We knew it was a difficult subject area to understand, so we spent a lot of time briefing them.  To no avail, it seems, as this request showed up a couple of months into the project.  And on what we thought would be the 3rd or 4th easiest report to write.
Permalink xampl 
April 5th, 2007 4:27pm
"The way things are going this week, I think I qualify as a non-programmer."

After I first read the question, I was thinking how I could make a joke about a programmer contemplating what it means to be a programmer.

You spoiled it!
Permalink Send private email Rick Zeng/Tseng 
April 5th, 2007 5:19pm
> Why not? Because I find there is more to life than coding.

I used to flip-flop on this a bit until an episode of xkcd summed up the conflict.

http://xkcd.com/c230.html
Permalink Michael B 
April 5th, 2007 10:37pm
LMAO.  That is excellent.  But the dude in the strip is a little too fortunate too be thinking that nerdy around an SO and getting laid on demand.
Permalink Send private email LinuxOrBust 
April 7th, 2007 1:57am

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