Nobody likes to be called a dummy by a dummy.

church closed for defying convention - and reaching out

Another example of how organized religion can lose sight of its ultimate purpose.

The archbishop should ask himself, "would Jesus care if they served cookies instead of the traditional host?"

Of course not.
Permalink AMerrickanGirl 
April 6th, 2007 6:38am
if they'd start asking that question, the whole damn thing would fall apart. It's all built on power and money, whatever compassion there is just spices, not the main dish.
Permalink $-- 
April 6th, 2007 7:16am
While tradition often serves as a vehicle to comfort people and bring them together, just as often it leads to mindless, senseless adherence to destructive policies.

We'd all be better off if people could distinguish the difference.
Permalink AMerrickanGirl 
April 6th, 2007 7:18am
> "would Jesus care if they served cookies instead of the traditional host?"

If they're catholic, than the host is literally his body, so yes, I'd think the archbishop would come back "yes, Jesus would care very much."
Permalink Send private email Сергей РахманиноB 
April 6th, 2007 7:25am
so if his body is literally a doughnut not a wafer, it matters. gotcha.
Permalink $-- 
April 6th, 2007 7:42am
> If we went to another church - a rich people's church - they probably wouldn't even let us in

No they wouldn't because you being poor is proof god doesn't love you. And if god doesn't love you why should the church?
Permalink son of parnas 
April 6th, 2007 9:22am
Catholics, in a Catholic country.  See, THIS is why you need separation of church and state.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
April 6th, 2007 9:53am
There are even special rituals for disposing of left over wine and wafers.

>Most Christians classify the Eucharist as a sacrament. Some Protestants view it as an ordinance in which the ceremony is seen not as a specific channel of divine grace but as an expression of faith and of obedience to Christ.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucharist

> It is required that the hosts be made from wheat flour and water only (Code of Canon Law, Canon 924). The Roman Church teaches that at the words of consecration the bread is changed into the Body of Christ through transubstantiation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host_%28Holy_Communion%29

They're messing with a ritual that close to the heart of organized christianity, so they're going to get slapped by the organization. Here in the US, folks that pass as christians have spent so much time listening to the heresies that pass for evangelism and dominionism that they wouldn't recognize Christ if He came again.
Permalink Peter 
April 6th, 2007 11:20am
> "would Jesus care if they served cookies instead of the traditional host?"

would Jesus care if the church decided not to give cookies?

The argument works both ways.

In other news, a team of Judaic clerics/scholars has decided that pot is not kosher for Passover. (Now what's the implied  mirror morale of that?)
Permalink blahty heartsheep 
April 6th, 2007 11:30am
There are a lot of things that aren't kosher for passover. Such as high fructose corn syrup. Used to be that one could get Kosher Pepsi, which had real sugar instead of high fructose corn syrup at this time of year (they would slap a K sticker on the bottle, so you could tell). But the Arab boycotts put an end to it.
Permalink Peter 
April 6th, 2007 2:20pm
I thought they still made Kosher Coca-Cola with good old cane Sucrose, no?
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
April 6th, 2007 2:34pm
I've never seen kosher coke, but then coca cola has been selling in the Arab world for years (and not in Israel), while Pepsi has been selling in Israel for years (and I've never seen it sold in an Arab country). Sell stuff in Israel, and you'll find your Arab sales drastically fall off. Technically it is illegal to comply with those boycotts, but you'll find that your sales will drop if you bring that up to them.

http://www.bis.doc.gov/AntiboycottCompliance/oacantiboycottrequestexamples.html
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1145961373594&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

If you live where lots of Mexicans live, you might find Mexican Coca Cola for sale in some stores. Those have cane sugar in them as HFCS isn't legal for use in soda down in Mexico. Those would be grey market and Coca Cola doesn't want them sold in the US, so the stores sometimes get cease and desists.

Coke was the first to use HFCS, and when they did so, Pepsi used to still use cane sugar and run ads about "the Pepsi Taste Challenge." Apparently, many people can taste the difference between HFCS and sugar and HFCS tastes worse. They couldn't say "this one contains sugar and that one has HFCS." But they could taste a difference and that sugar tastes better. Those ads disappeared when Pepsi joined the Borg Alliance and used HFCS almost exclusively. And that's why I only drink diet soda unless I can get Mexican Coke, or Kosher Pepsi.
Permalink Peter 
April 6th, 2007 2:48pm
That's interesting.  When I lived down near San Diego the Mexican food place we always went had the best damn Coke ever. 

I wonder if that was it, although I don't know how getting fountain drink canisters from Mexico would be any cheaper.  Maybe they did it to cater to their Mexican-born customers.
Permalink Lurk Machine 
April 6th, 2007 3:18pm
Peter: I put a hold on that book you recommended about corn and it still hasn't come in to the library - about 6 months later, still waiting!
Permalink Send private email Ward 
April 6th, 2007 3:41pm
"HFCS isn't legal for use in soda down in Mexico."

Does anyone else find this hilarious?  Something in Mexico is actually illegal.  You can buy heavy drugs over the counter down there with barely a prescription, but watch out for that high fructose corn syrup!

You know, maybe they're onto something.
Permalink AMerrickanGirl 
April 6th, 2007 5:37pm
No such thing as a society without sacred cows/corns.
Permalink Send private email high fructose strawb. snowflake 
April 6th, 2007 5:40pm
"In other news, a team of Judaic clerics/scholars has decided that pot is not kosher for Passover."

The actual story was that a marijuana advocacy organization released a press release announcing that pot was not kosher. That's different from rabbis saying it.
Permalink Practical Economist 
April 6th, 2007 7:21pm
Not kosher for Passover.
Permalink Practical Economist 
April 6th, 2007 7:22pm
Omnivore's Dilemma? I tried to get that thru the library too, but I was like 150th on the list and they only had about 5 copies, so after about 3-4 months, I bought my own copy (150 reservations * 2 weeks per check out / 5 copies = more than a year wait at that time).

Now the Denver library has 77 copies (including 4 large type and 12 CDs). Cheking the records today shows exactly 2 of them are NOT checked out. LOL.
http://catalog.denverlibrary.org/cgi-bin/cw_cgi?fullRecord+1427+10+624150181+3+1
http://catalog.denverlibrary.org/cgi-bin/cw_cgi?fullRecord+1427+10+624178404+1+1
http://catalog.denverlibrary.org/cgi-bin/cw_cgi?fullRecord+1427+10+624161371+2+1
Permalink Peter 
April 6th, 2007 8:10pm
-----"while Pepsi has been selling in Israel for years (and I've never seen it sold in an Arab country). "-----

Plenty of Pepsi in Saudi.
Permalink Send private email Stephen Jones 
April 7th, 2007 11:00am

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