Sanding our assholes with 150 grit.

Video games turn you into a blood thirsty murderer.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070404162247.htm - Violent Video Games And Hostile Personalities Go Together


100 bonus points if you blast them with a shot gun.
Permalink son of parnas 
April 6th, 2007 9:45am
Correlation...

I think it's more likely that blood thirsty murderers would appreciate the thrill of a blood thirsty video game.

This does not mean that all video gamers are blood thirsty murderers.  That a few might be does not spoil the bunch.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
April 6th, 2007 9:47am
There's a sequel to Lemmings!  Yay!

But THAT'S non-violent?  Those poor little lemmings, falling to their deaths in a small splash of blood?  Or being burned, or chomped, or squished?

On the other hand, I have noticed when my son just finishes watching Power Rangers, that he does throw a few judo-chops.  Does that count?
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
April 6th, 2007 9:49am
> Correlation

The only correlation is your predictable response. When you see increases after use it's not correlation.
Permalink son of parnas 
April 6th, 2007 9:50am
I play TONS of bloody, violent video games.  I also play TONS of racing games where you fly at incredibly high speeds through rush hour traffic and the GOAL is to "check" as much of that traffic out of your way (by slamming them aside) as possible.

I'm an incredibly defensive, careful driver in real life, and I don't even spank my kid.

And I know dozens, maybe hundreds of other guys like me via LAN parties and the like.

So it really does seem to be possible to enjoy these games without your soul becoming corrupted.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
April 6th, 2007 9:54am
> So it really does seem to be possible to enjoy these games without your soul becoming corrupted.

LOL.
Permalink son of parnas 
April 6th, 2007 9:55am
I don't really get how it is possible to enjoy the fantasy of perpetrating bloody murder repeatedly without something being out of kilter in your being.

Why would a game that is all about killing completely accepatable, when one that was (say) about rape and torture not be? If we apply the argument "It's just fantasy, I'm perfectly OK really", shouldn't that apply to ALL material?
Permalink $-- 
April 6th, 2007 10:03am
$--,

I have the same trouble understanding people who enjoy bloody horror movies, but nobody's going around accusing bloody horror movies of being training films for serial killers.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
April 6th, 2007 10:06am
"I don't really get how it is possible to enjoy the fantasy of perpetrating bloody murder repeatedly without something being out of kilter in your being"

Because it's not a fantasy of perpetrating bloody murder.  It's cartoon violence.  It's silly.  It's funny blowing away somebody's totally non-realistic (even human shaped) avatar with a rocket launcher and watching their face explode.  It's comic absurdity. 

I don't think there are very many gamers who enjoy these games because they harbor fantasies of perpetrating real violence against real people.  Most don't see video games as a simulation, but rather as totally absurd entertainment.

Who takes a game seriously where you blow people's torsos into Jell-O with a microwave gun on one level, and behead aliens with a circular saw on the next?

Someone who is very sick, that's who.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
April 6th, 2007 10:09am
I have inflicted so much digital harm with digitally represented firearms... Normandy was a frickin' summer camp compared to the digital carnage I have wrought.

That said, the fact that I allow idiots like those to go on living is more or less proof of their idiocy.

Their study is utterly flawed.

Lemmings is not exactly a fast-paced buffet of adrenaline, whereas the nature of the other games suggests that they do indeed lean more in that direction.

Give the kids playing Lemmings a good shot of Espresso, or hell, this is science, straight adrenaline. See how much noise they blast their peers with then.

Those fucking dorks writing that book probably suck at every video game they've ever played, and it's some form of nerdly revenge to devote their lives to FUD and flawed research.
Permalink JoC 
April 6th, 2007 10:11am
I have the same objection to them. There is a thing where they're obviously a fantasy thing, but sometimes they're not.

There's also the question of degree. I genuinely don't like horror stuff or violent games myself, but to see a movie with that kind of content once in a while can be fun. I do wonder about people that sit down playing the same game night after night. I did it myself one summer, and when I got to teh end of the game (they are very obsessive) I thought "what a bloody waste of time THAT was". I doubt I'll ever bother again.
Permalink $-- 
April 6th, 2007 10:12am
obviously, it does press quite a few buttons to suggest that there might be something odd about it ... :-)
Permalink $-- 
April 6th, 2007 10:14am
No buttons at all.  It's just that we (gamers) are tired of this argument.  It continues to be perpetuated despite a total lack of any convincing evidence whatsoever.

See, to me, horror movies are extremely realistic, using real people and modern special effects to create the very convincing illusion of actual, bloody violence.

Video games are not in any way realistic.  The physics are nonsense, the weapons are overwrought, the drama is overwrought, the gameplay is overwrought.  It's all mindless mayhem and patently absurd, which makes it comedic.

There is a wide, yawning, chasm of difference between the two, if you ask me.

Now, SOME people find Horror movies comicly absurd in the same way that I view violent video games.  It's a matter of perception and perspective.  If you view a video game as a murder simulator, then, for you, it is.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
April 6th, 2007 10:23am
"Why would a game that is all about killing completely accepatable, when one that was (say) about rape and torture not be?"

I don't know of a single game that is "all about killing". Sure, there may well be a lot of killing going on. There may be bullets flying and people dying every minute of gameplay. Often times, there is a goal to accomplish through that killing.

I could see a game involving torture. Actually, I have played a game involving torture. Dungeon Keeper 1 & 2. Maybe only one of them let you torture stuff... I don't know. But both were great games!

The act of rape is its own purpose. There is no other goal served by it.

Sometimes killing is the goal, such as in Quake/Unreal Tournament deathmatch mode games. I don't hear massive outcry against paintball, airsoft, or even boxing or football? Those games all involve causing direct physical harm to other people that isn't even digitized!

What kind of pansywaist fucktard does one have to be to villainize sports?
Permalink JoC 
April 6th, 2007 10:24am
I don't think video games cause people to conflate reality and fantasy. I think the percent of people who confuse the two is fairly stable.

What I do think is that *for those few percent who will confuse fantasy and reality* anyway, video games offer a violent fantasy to project onto reality.

I don't think it's too different from fantasizing about "The Bachelor" and letting it interfere with one's dating reality either. But those folks are just depressed not violent.
Permalink Send private email strawberry snowflake 
April 6th, 2007 10:25am
Generations of men raised by women indeed.... A bunch of fucking pussies we've become.
Permalink JoC 
April 6th, 2007 10:26am
"What I do think is that *for those few percent who will confuse fantasy and reality* anyway, video games offer a violent fantasy to project onto reality. "

++strawberry.  This is bloody obvious.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
April 6th, 2007 10:26am
well, first up let's not assume that whatever ideas we discuss are taken to apply to every single person in that group.

I'm sure there are plenty of gamers who are never going to be badly affected. I'm equally sure there are a small minority who will be.

The same is true of physical sports, but, if you do karate or boxing and you are a psycho, it tends to get noticed pretty quickly, at least in a good club. The other thing about actual physical sports, you are required to actually put your body on the line.
Permalink $-- 
April 6th, 2007 10:47am
So then, are you arguing that because psychopaths can use violent media to reinforce their sickness in private and might not be caught until it's too late, NOBODY ought to have access to it just to be on the safe side?
Permalink Send private email muppet 
April 6th, 2007 10:53am
did I say that?
Permalink $-- 
April 6th, 2007 11:04am
I was asking if that was your stance.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
April 6th, 2007 11:37am
I don't see any proof that anyone at all could or would be affected. Everything I have read about it sounds about as scientific as creationism.

The truth about the small percentage that you may perceive to be affected is that they are damaged goods. It doesn't matter if they project the fantasy of a game onto reality, or if the game gives them ideas they may not otherwise have had.

Why? Because if it weren't a game it would be something else; a television show, movie, comic book, or sheer imaginative paranoid delusions.

There is quite the cornucopia of various nutrients for the deranged mind. Focusing on those sources does no good whatsoever (witness the drug war). Such focus is to the detriment of what could be otherwise helpful study into the prevention and treatment of the abhorrently abnormal.
Permalink JoC 
April 6th, 2007 11:43am
Well, we don't want more women to be playing violent video games.

They are by far the most fanatically fantasizing segment of the population.
Permalink blahty heartsheep 
April 6th, 2007 11:55am
> Generations of men raised by women indeed.... A bunch of fucking pussies we've become.

How so? Millions of women are still being beaten, raped, sold, and killed. You remain very manly men.
Permalink son of parnas 
April 6th, 2007 12:15pm
You are a victim of the ratings game if you think any of those things goes on any more now than they ever did or even if you believe such inequities have not been significantly reduced.

My statement was not meant as an affront to women it is an objection to the more feminine aspects of humanity being foisted upon society at large.

It is an affront to the eggshell white pristine utopia of society that seems to now be expected. Everything disagreeable is an outrage worthy of forming a lynch mob. We create 'wars' on everything. It started with prohibition, which indeed chronologically coincided with women's lib.
Permalink JoC 
April 6th, 2007 3:40pm
"I've got a little list,
of people we can do without
who never will be missed!"

-- The Mikado --
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
April 6th, 2007 3:54pm
> You are a victim

No shit.
Permalink son of parnas 
April 6th, 2007 4:56pm
muppet,

If that was my stance I would say so. Try reading the words written, as they are, without adding extras.

If we would discuss an article that said that alcohol is harmful to some people, would you ask if I was in favour of prohibition?
Permalink $-- 
April 6th, 2007 7:35pm
Do you guys read the article?

Basically it just said child/adolescents more exposed to violent video games are more likely to show and hold more agressive behaviors and attitudes.

It's been shown consistently, previously for TV shows and movies, and now for violent video games.

+1 for the LOL comment!
Permalink Rick Zeng/Tseng 
April 6th, 2007 11:51pm
"hold more agressive behaviors and attitudes."

Well, we can't have that now, can we?

O judgement! thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason…
Permalink JoC 
April 9th, 2007 10:52am

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