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How can kids learn anything without doing much of anything?

http://psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-20060424-000004.html - (via reddit) Education: Class Dismisse It's every modern parent's worst nightmare—a school where kids can play all day. But no one takes the easy way out, and graduates seem to have a head start on the information age. Welcome to Sudbury Valley.


I've read a lot about this school and the various free education movements. If what dictates future success is people's interest, passion, and ability to persevere, then they schools teach what needs to be taught. All the topics traditionally taught in school can be handled in an on demang basis.

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A longitudinal study of graduates—now numbering over 800—shows that Sudbury alumni take an increasing amount of time between high school and college. "The opening of vistas in the 21st century has affected everyone," says Greenberg. But the students go on to lead deeply satisfying lives. Most are unusually resilient. Almost all feel that they are in control of their destiny. In disproportionately high numbers—42 percent—Sudbury graduates become entrepreneurs. The alumni study shows that a "spectacularly high number" pursue careers in the arts—music, art, dance, writing, acting. Math, business and education are popular routes, too.
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Or we could just produce more cube dwellers.
Permalink son of parnas 
April 7th, 2007 12:08pm
I read the whole article.  The point is that the kids ARE doing lots of things ... they're just not doing them in a rote manner prescribed by adults or in the order we're accustomed to seeing them learn.  In other words, they're learning on their own about things that interest them.

How many of us remember anything they crammed down our throats at school?  Yet we remember the fun things we learned to do on our own.

The schools in the article aren't for all children, obviously, but IMO the current educational system is not producing great thinkers by a long shot.
Permalink AMerrickanGirl 
April 7th, 2007 12:12pm
Is this one of those articles that says that Generation Y are all entrepreneurs & prefer to work on projects rather than acknowledge managers' authority?
Permalink Send private email Сергей РахманиноB 
April 7th, 2007 2:37pm
> The schools in the article aren't for all children, obviously

Why do say obviously? Do think the process for education that we have now, one for producing factory drones, should be inflicted on some children but not others?
Permalink son of parnas 
April 7th, 2007 2:38pm
No, not at all, but a school like this with mainly kids who come from deprived and combative environments might need some extra structure, at least in the beginning.

Remember, the kids who go to these schools are from families who are attracted to such an evironment, and have probably been stimulating the kids to think for themselves to begin with, so the kids flourish in that environment.

Kids who have mainly absent or overly stressed parants and who've been mainly watching TV might have a harder time finding their own voice, so to speak.
Permalink AMerrickanGirl 
April 7th, 2007 2:42pm
> deprived and combative environments might need some extra structure

We as humans are very good at fitting in. They will find there way in there own time given the opportunity.

> Remember, the kids who go to these schools are from families who are attracted to such an evironment,

Also remember for a lot of these kids this was the end of the road for them. They didn't fit anywhere else and this was a last ditch effort by the parents. It's not a group of perfect kids produced by enlightened parents. That's not why it succeeds.
Permalink son of parnas 
April 7th, 2007 3:40pm
I have nothing but hate for state-sponsored daycare^Wschool.

At the time I thought a much better approach to education would be School of Athens style.  Gather masters in a building, equip them with supplies/resources, and give the students free reign.  Education would happen automatically and without trouble.

But now that I'm a little wiser it seems like a terrible idea.

While the inquisitive and creative would lead their own education and a few lost souls would discover an inner geek that they never thought they had, the grand majority of youth would just jerk off all day and squander what's at their disposal.

Most people are dumb, lazy and subservient.  Public school is a hell they created for themselves.  The gifted ones who aren't smart enough to drop out early can chalk the experience up to character building.
Permalink Michael B 
April 7th, 2007 5:11pm
> Most people are dumb, lazy and subservient.
Permalink Yes Master 
April 7th, 2007 5:39pm
"the grand majority of youth would just jerk off all day and squander what's at their disposal"

Don't the results that school is getting disprove this hypothesis?
Permalink Practical Economist 
April 7th, 2007 8:59pm
"Do think the process for education that we have now, one for producing factory drones, should be inflicted on some children but not others?"

Do you think that all children are so alike that none of them could possibly benefit from a structured environment more than an unstructured one?  There is NO one size fits all, and some people not only do well in the current education system, a lot of them enjoy it too.
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