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Men Becoming Unecessary

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-04/uops-psn040907.php - Pitt study notes decline in male births in the US and Japan

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PITTSBURGH, April 9 – A study published in this week’s online edition of Environmental Health Perspectives reports that during the past thirty years, the number of male births has decreased each year in the U.S. and Japan. In a review of all births in both countries, the University of Pittsburgh-led study found significantly fewer boys being born relative to girls in the U.S. and Japan, and that an increasing proportion of fetuses that die are male. They note that the decline in births is equivalent to 135,000 fewer white males in the U.S. and 127,000 fewer males in Japan over the past three decades and suggest that environmental factors are one explanation for these trends.

“The pattern of decline in the ratio of male to female births remains largely unexplained,” said Devra Lee Davis, Ph.D., M.P.H., lead investigator of the study, director of the University of Pittsburgh Cancer Institute’s Center for Environmental Oncology and professor of epidemiology, University of Pittsburgh Graduate School of Public Health. “We know that men who work with some solvents, metals and pesticides father fewer baby boys. We also know that nutritional factors, physical health and chemical exposures of pregnant women affect their ability to have children and the health of their offspring. We suspect that some combination of these factors, along with older age of parents, may account for decreasing male births.”
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Soon we'll need to add male animals to zoos. Or perhaps the endangered species act will finally get some teeth.
Permalink son of parnas 
April 9th, 2007 11:45am
So, it's becoming a woman's world.

I hope you do better with it than the men have been doing.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
April 9th, 2007 11:46am
> I hope you do better with it than the men have been doing.

Probably not much better, but less bloody, which is better I guess.
Permalink son of parnas 
April 9th, 2007 11:49am
>less bloody

This is a pretty bold statement.  Women can be as ruthless and aggressive as men, but this is a typical feminazi assertion.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
April 9th, 2007 11:50am
> Women can be as ruthless and aggressive as men,

"can be" yes, as frequently and in as many situations, certainly not. I am more concerned about how men typically behave.
Permalink son of parnas 
April 9th, 2007 11:55am
Actually, no, this is why most murders are men.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
April 9th, 2007 11:57am
"murderers", I meant to say.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
April 9th, 2007 11:58am
If men were completely, or nearly, absent, women would assume the aggressive roles more regularly.  If the entire population of the world were suddenly female, we wouldn't have World Peace and flowers and sunshine by that fact alone.

But yeah, the world is fucked up because of men, not because of people.

Why don't you try a more proactive solution than bitching and preaching, like mass murder?
Permalink Send private email muppet 
April 9th, 2007 11:58am
> Why don't you try a more proactive solution

And why don't you go play your violent video games?
Permalink son of parnas 
April 9th, 2007 12:00pm
Maybe my violent video games are a way of 'hacking' my legacy brain by fulfilling a biological need for aggression in an ultimately non-aggressive way.  Maybe my violent video games are a solution to your perceived problem.

Dumb bitch.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
April 9th, 2007 12:01pm
> Dumb bitch.

Here you see what men are rather than women can be.
Permalink son of parnas 
April 9th, 2007 12:04pm
If so, you haven't been playing enough.  Since throwing around "feminazi" and "dumb bitch" terms into a calm discussion seems pointlessly aggressive.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
April 9th, 2007 12:06pm
actually.

less men means more female-female rivaly for the best mate, and wider selection pools for the males...

woo-hooo!
Permalink arg! 
April 9th, 2007 12:06pm
> wider selection pools for the males

And more girl on girl action.
Permalink son of parnas 
April 9th, 2007 12:07pm
That's right!  I'm all for men becoming a precious resource that women are willing to share.

Sadly, I suspect most polygamy early on was an expression of men's desire to 'own' more than one woman than women's desire to share.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
April 9th, 2007 12:08pm
Nobody understands irony.  Queue tim to tell me that I wasn't being ironic.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
April 9th, 2007 12:10pm
like rain on your wedding day, brother...
Permalink arg! 
April 9th, 2007 12:18pm
">less bloody "

Well once a month it can get kinda bloody...
Permalink Me 
April 9th, 2007 12:19pm
Well, in my special case, it might be an Alanis sort of irony, but in general, no.  You wouldn't generally expect a person debating a feminist on the inherent aggression of men to call her a dumb bitch mid-argument, so it IS validly ironic.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
April 9th, 2007 12:19pm
> You wouldn't generally expect a person

It's no different than you usually are. Which is irony.
Permalink son of parnas 
April 9th, 2007 12:22pm
Actually now I think about it I suppose you might argue that it would be ironic for someone NOT to call son of parnas a dumb bitch.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
April 9th, 2007 12:24pm
>> If men were completely, or nearly, absent, women would assume the aggressive roles more regularly.

This is certainly true as feminism and direct economic opportunities for women has meant increased girl gang violence in schools.

Even so, it's also the case that in schools, girls are more psychologically aggressive rather than physically aggressive (girls understand other people's emotions better and so are able to know which buttons to push, while for brutish boys a punch in the mouth is the best way to deface an opponent, as the physical is what they see).

The question is whether the overall sum of aggression would be the same, or lower, or higher. And what the psychological/physical mix would be.
Permalink Send private email strawberry snowflake 
April 9th, 2007 12:34pm
> girls are more psychologically aggressive

Man up.
Permalink son of parnas 
April 9th, 2007 12:39pm
damn... SoP busted you out!!!

"Suck it up, buttercup"
Permalink arg! 
April 9th, 2007 12:51pm
It's just an adaptation to the fact that the wars of the  USA and Japan are not bloody enough lately.
Permalink Send private email Erik Springelkamp 
April 9th, 2007 1:06pm
Anyone here see the film "Children of Men"?  I watched it this weekend.  It is a future, dystopian fiction where some kind of blight (they don't know what) has rendered everyone infertile--no children have been born for years.

We need a film where no male children are born for years.  I would like to see a fiction rendering of that scenario.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
April 9th, 2007 1:21pm
You know how when girls are in the same house there periods tend to line up? Well if the senate and the house where all female wouldn't it be awful if they all synchronized? War would be declared monthly.
Permalink Me 
April 9th, 2007 1:26pm
> I would like to see a fiction rendering of that scenario.

It wouldn't be a dystopia, but a dyketopia.
Permalink Send private email strawberry snowflake 
April 9th, 2007 1:30pm
One such story is Houston, Houston, Do You Read?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston%2C_Houston%2C_Do_You_Read%3F 
(story is too long for versions to appear online)
One, in the opposite direction is The Screwfly Solution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Screwfly_Solution
(text is online)

Sheri Tepper also writes some interesting twists on male/female relations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gate_to_Women%27s_Country and Six Moon Dance
Permalink Peter 
April 9th, 2007 1:56pm
"It wouldn't be a dystopia, but a dyketopia."

You worked real hard for that one.  I even chuckled.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
April 9th, 2007 3:51pm
> You worked real hard for that one.

No, not really. Caffeine makes me punny without much effort.


The real reason men are becoming obsolete: dependence on carbon fuels (before power steering far fewer women were truck drivers). We need to diversify our power supply: more brawn power.
Permalink Send private email strawberry snowflake 
April 9th, 2007 3:56pm
"Another drools at the prospect of millions of women who have not known a man's physical love, and fancies himself as being the object of desire for them all when he returns."

Oh, Peter, Peter.  That's hilarious.  (from wiki on Houston Do You Read)
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
April 9th, 2007 4:08pm
And for another dystopic view, rent the movie The American Astronaut. Western, sci-fi, musical movie, with technology that makes you think "wow, you really DO need to hit it with a bigger hammer."
Permalink Peter 
April 9th, 2007 4:12pm
> >less bloody

> This is a pretty bold statement.  Women can be as ruthless and aggressive as men, but this is a typical feminazi assertion.

I've found this to be the case as well, but I think it's more a consequence of socialized gender roles than some innate biological behavior.
Permalink Michael B 
April 9th, 2007 4:18pm
> roles than some innate biological behavior.

You might want to explore the relationship between testosterone and violence.
Permalink son of parnas 
April 9th, 2007 4:48pm
Women are just as criminal as men, but only during the 5 days or so of their period.

In many cultures women are put away during that period, which has probably it's merits.
Permalink Send private email Erik Springelkamp 
April 9th, 2007 5:11pm
"In many cultures women are put away during that period, which has probably it's merits."

So should we do the same to men during March Madness?
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
April 9th, 2007 6:32pm
13 Things PMS Stands For:

1. Pass My Shotgun
2. Psychotic Mood Shift
3. Perpetual Munching Spree
4. Puffy Mid-Section
5. People Make me Sick
6. Provide Me with Sweets
7. Pardon My Sobbing
8. Pimples May Surface
9. Pass My Sweat pants
10. Pissy Mood Syndrome
11. Plainly; Men Suck
12. Pack My Stuff
13. Potential Murder Suspect
Permalink Aunt Flo 
April 9th, 2007 6:48pm
"A study published in this week’s online edition of Environmental Health Perspectives reports that during the past thirty years, the number of male births has decreased each year in the U.S. and Japan."

I don't see why this is a problem to anybody except muppet, who seems disgusted at the idea of any girl-on-girl action or straight women who will have to compete harder than before.

Perhaps mother nature is just making up for everyone in China killing their female newborns for all those decades.
Permalink Send private email ~~~x 
April 9th, 2007 7:36pm
There are a number of pesticides and herbicides that have a "side effect" of making male fish and invertebrates infertile, or just not developing into a male. BigBusiness is good at hiring press releases and funding compliant "scientists" and "doctors" to claim that their product does no harm. BigTobacco got away with this for over 100 years. I predict that BigBiz will get away with this sort of thing until it is no longer possible to hide the dead bodies and mountains of research, then they'll play the game BigTobacco did, pulling out studies from the 1890s that showed tobacco was harmful, and by gosh by golly, the public just ignored this stuff for a hundred or so years on their own.

Male farmers in the US have the highest skin cancer rates. Mostly the scalp region where the hats they'll wear would collect pesticides and herbicides and carefully rub them into the scalp.

Yeah, this one will be an own goal.
Permalink Peter 
April 9th, 2007 8:44pm
Where's Dr. Stanton?
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