Pope Says Bears Shit in the Woods
- Pope says science too narrow to explain creation
That is a philosophical or ideological conclusion not supported by facts, they say, because science cannot prove who or what originally created the universe and life in it.
I know. It was some divine being who was created out of nothing. That's far more logical.
son of parnas
April 12th, 2007 11:37am
People are silly. On both sides. Why can't there be a God? Why shouldn't there be?
It is very worrying that, on both sides of the debate, the How is again getting conflated with the Why. Centuries and billions of gold coins and millions of lives have been spent in carefully separating the two and putting them on equal footing. Going back to square one is shit inducing.
Plus ça change
April 12th, 2007 12:13pm
Guess I didn't see anything controversial in the article. Mostly the pope saying science is good, and so is faith, and maybe it would be a good idea to allow both into your life. Maybe being a born again Christian with a Physics degree from a good school biases my perspective.
God in fact, exists, for a very broad definition of God.
AFAIK the universe actually started at some time, from the "nothing". "something" changed that empty state to the universe as we know it. That something can be called God.
Now, believing or pretending that "god" in that context has conciousness or a meaning, is just happy thinking.
We don't know how the universe was created and may never know for sure. But why do we need to invent supernatural explanations for things we don't know. Why can't we live with just not knowing?
bob's your uncle
April 12th, 2007 1:40pm
I thought it was hopeful that the Pope did not confirm Creationism, myself.
April 12th, 2007 1:59pm
>> Why can't we live with just not knowing?
Talk about a recursive question.
April 12th, 2007 2:05pm
We CAN live with just not knowing. Sadly, that's not the default. The default for most people is, "There MUST be SOME explanation. Ah! Here it is!".
And then they go on to defend whatever "Here" they found for the rest of their lives. Superstition, prejudice, a condemning God, Creationism, Faith over Science, whatever.
April 12th, 2007 2:15pm
STH: as the article says, Catholics are fine with "God used evolution."
They're also fine with "Genesis isn't literal."
April 12th, 2007 2:41pm
Don't most people want to know if there's a grand plan in the cosmos, either yea or neigh? This is why the question won't die.
April 12th, 2007 3:43pm
"Don't most people want to know if there's a grand plan in the cosmos, either yea or neigh? This is why the question won't die."
Sure - if it is possible but like I said it doesn't look possible to know. So we should behave like there is nothing else we just "are" and get on with helping each other.
Inventing a billion stories, superstitions and religions is just for placating the masses and used as tool by the powerful to stay in power.
bob's your uncle
April 12th, 2007 3:54pm