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Alternative "democracratic" moderation methods.

1. Anyone can delete any post at any time for any reason and it's gone forever.

1a. Any registered user (there can only be a maximum 10 registered users at any time, for obvious reasons) can delete any post at any time. For accountability, their name gets attached to deleted posts: [Post deleted by Tyranny of the Majority]

2. Everyone votes on whether or not threads get deleted.

2a. The 10 registered users get to vote and a majority (6) kills it.

3. All posts get deleted eventually (screw archives).

3a. Moderators, we don't need no stinking moderators, everything stays unless it's blatantly illegal

4. A cabal of moderators doing their moderatorly thing with an Isle of Misfit Threads for threads that have been exiled. We can call that place ?off. No, wait ?joel. No, ?off. Ah, whatever.

4a. Anyone can delete any post at any time for any reason, but it just goes to the Isle of the Misfit Threads.

5. What does it matter, there's a presidential wiretap pointed at this forum at all times.
Permalink Tyranny of the Majority 
January 26th, 2006 11:17pm
your mom
Permalink Send private email John Haren 
January 26th, 2006 11:18pm
for shizzle?
Permalink afk 
January 26th, 2006 11:18pm
Or we could just appoint a trusted few, which worked fine before and would continue to work fine.

I just think the few ought to represent very different ends of the spectrum in order to ensure a balance.  :)

No offense to Mark and Simon but to me they're opposite faces of the same coin and not really a balanced mod team without a counter.  :)
Permalink Send private email muppet 
January 26th, 2006 11:19pm
the thing about having a couple of actual moderators is that it means there is very little time spent arguing about the moderation.

it just happens.

any democratic approach is just going to lead to endless whinging and arguing about posts that simply do not deserve the time and attention.

so I suggest we (eventually) return to what we had, a couple of elected mods that just take care of it and dont bother to explain unless someone actually asks.
Permalink FullNameRequired 
January 26th, 2006 11:21pm
"any democratic approach is just going to lead to endless whinging and arguing about posts that simply do not deserve the time and attention."

That's the point. This place gets boring fast without a little drama.
Permalink Tyranny of the Majority 
January 26th, 2006 11:21pm
actually Id be perfectly happy with mark and simon.  they were entirely matter of fact, unemotional and happy to explain.
Permalink FullNameRequired 
January 26th, 2006 11:22pm
"This place gets boring fast without a little drama."

nah.  arguing about posts isn't drama.  its endlessly boring.  if that ever becomes the point of ?off Ill...Ill....


well, I dont want it to happen.
Permalink FullNameRequired 
January 26th, 2006 11:23pm
Hey "Tyranny"--is that you, QADude?
Permalink Send private email John Haren 
January 26th, 2006 11:23pm
There's plenty of built in drama.

It might be interesting to have a dual delete flag.  There could be a "simple delete" that removes the post from the normal view, but posters might have the option (via a cookie) to unmask the simple deleted items if they want to.  This way the forum can be moderated if you want it to be, and not moderated if you don't.

Then there can be a "deep delete" flag used for posts which are actually illegal or criminally harrassing.  Nobody but moderators could see these.

It might be a dumb idea, but I thought I'd float it.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
January 26th, 2006 11:23pm
JHC -

I worry that Mark and Simon deleted more than anyone knew, precluding questions.  :-)

Seriously they're both very conservative and matter of fact and that's great, but I think there needs to be a liberal, less matter of fact moderator, too.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
January 26th, 2006 11:24pm
Nope, not QA Dude.

Nobody would opt for the less moderated version of the forum.
Permalink Tyranny of the Majority 
January 26th, 2006 11:25pm
"liberal, less matter of fact moderator, too."
Well, where's my fukkin' banana?
Permalink Send private email John Haren 
January 26th, 2006 11:25pm
i bet you want a banana, big boy
Permalink afk 
January 26th, 2006 11:26pm
"i bet you want a banana, big boy"
mmmmmm, cock... can't get enough!
Permalink Send private email John Haren 
January 26th, 2006 11:27pm
- Heathers
Permalink Tyranny of the Majority 
January 26th, 2006 11:27pm
plenty of people would

just not allan  :)
Permalink Send private email muppet 
January 26th, 2006 11:28pm
I like that idea, muppet. Similar to Slashdot, where a lot of people browse at a karma Threshold of 1, their world carefully santized, whereas the adventurous browse at 0 or -1 (though in this case the only option would be 0). I also like the idea of only a small number of moderators doing it, removing the tyranny of the majority/lowest common denominator that is prevalent on those sorts of sites.

The only downside with that is that you end up with all of the meta commentary about why something was moderated down (and to be honest I see you being, by far, the most probable culprit of endless diatribes regarding that).
Permalink Send private email Dennis Forbes 
January 26th, 2006 11:28pm
>> i bet you want a banana, big boy

::chokes self::

::masturbates furiously::
Permalink muppet 
January 26th, 2006 11:28pm
"I worry that Mark and Simon deleted more than anyone knew, precluding questions.  :-) "

heh, the point being that anyone could post again to the forum and ask what had happened to their previous post.

its bloody hard (as we all know) to actually keep everything totally moderated at all times, so if they were actually quashing people out of existance I have no doubt we would all know about it.

Im against keeping the old ones around just because if we do, people will talk about them.  and who wants that?

if it must be done, let it be done quickly, quietly and with as little fuss as possible.
Permalink FullNameRequired 
January 26th, 2006 11:29pm
oh don't accidentally kill yourself muppet whilest masterbating and choking one's self
Permalink afk 
January 26th, 2006 11:29pm
I vote for Aaron's wives to moderate.
Permalink Send private email John Haren 
January 26th, 2006 11:31pm
It would soon have become obvious if any of the moderators at ?off had deleted lots of stuff that shouldn't have been.  See how long it takes to know whether a thread has disappeared on JOS now.

None of the moderators were particularly over the top or got in the way of how threads went.  muppet was a fair moderator he (apologies for the third person), just has problems respecting boundaries,  perhaps I respect them too strictly :-).
Permalink Send private email Simon Lucy 
January 27th, 2006 3:45am
mmm...elected mods - say 5 tops - and keep the election thread open for long enough that all timezones get to put their oar in.
Permalink Send private email a cynic writes... 
January 27th, 2006 5:21am
Dude, are there enough gay people here for 5 of them to be tops?
Permalink Send private email Aaron F Stanton 
January 27th, 2006 9:44am
"It would soon have become obvious if any of the moderators at ?off had deleted lots of stuff that shouldn't have been.  See how long it takes to know whether a thread has disappeared on JOS now."

That's because all eyes are on JoS and multiple requests are being made to verify the continued existence of a post.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
January 27th, 2006 9:45am
I understand that explicit references to here or the Blue Room cause severe allergic reactions in the New York area...using either in the Home Page box is OK apparently.
Permalink Send private email a cynic writes... 
January 27th, 2006 10:25am

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