Nobody likes to be called a dummy by a dummy.

What's the history of executive priviledge?

It seems like a very suspect concept.
Permalink son of parnas 
July 4th, 2007 6:18pm
US = Dictatorship, basically.
Permalink Send private email Wayne 
July 4th, 2007 6:59pm
Much like Presidential pardons, just because Bush does it doesn't mean he invented the concept or that it's so inherently evil it needs to instantly go away.

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dorf/20020206.html

The issue is how he applies the privilege, not that it exists.
Permalink Send private email Philo 
July 4th, 2007 7:09pm
"it's so inherently evil it needs to instantly go away."

I disagree.  Executive privilege was basically created out of thin air and thus has no defined boundaries.  The fact that previous presidents didn't abuse their position doesn't mean that the concept is sound.
Permalink Send private email Wayne 
July 4th, 2007 7:17pm
Bush tends to take what other presidents have done and extend it WAY further than was previously considered acceptable.  Kind of the "give him an inch and he takes a mile" abuse of power thing.

I only hope that our next administration doesn't expand to fit the new paradigm, but instead goes back to the slightly less corrupt utopia of pre-2000.
Permalink AMerrickanGirl 
July 4th, 2007 7:17pm
Unfortunately, once the genie is out the bottle it's hard to put it back.  This also goes with my theory that governments rarely act to reduce their own power (and thus their own size).

There appear to be very few people in any branch of the US government, or in any party, who are working for the good of democracy.  In fact, I think that notion itself is almost quaint these days.
Permalink Send private email Wayne 
July 4th, 2007 7:23pm
It means whatever they say it means, at that time.

Sortof like porn -- you know it when you see it.
Permalink Send private email xampl 
July 4th, 2007 7:36pm
The size of government WAS reduced under the Clinton administration.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 4th, 2007 7:38pm
I mean, it's almost Biblical.  Which would you prefer -- an administration that DOESN'T promise to reduce Government, but then does so; or an administration which DOES promise to reduce Government, then expands it?
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 4th, 2007 7:40pm
Sure, under Clinton, the number of people working for the government was reduced but the actual power and responsibilities of the federal government were not.
Permalink Send private email Wayne 
July 4th, 2007 7:42pm
Let's see -- fewer people, less cost, same power, same responsibilities.

I think that's a win/win, no?  What, you want them to NOT pay Social Security?
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 4th, 2007 7:44pm
I agree it's a good thing and it proves that Clinton was a good manager and there was a lot of fat to trim. 

But does "smaller government" really mean just employing the absolute minimal number of people required to rule every minuscule detail of the country from Washington?
Permalink Send private email Wayne 
July 4th, 2007 7:46pm
The problem with smaller government is that every time a law gets passed, or a program gets voted in, you need a staff to run it and a computer system to keep track of it.  So it just grows and grows.
Permalink AMerrickanGirl 
July 4th, 2007 7:49pm
I think this shows they're NOT "ruling every miniscule detail of the country" from Washington.

Hell, that was even before No Child Left Behind.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 4th, 2007 7:52pm
AMerrickanGirl made my point.
Permalink Send private email Wayne 
July 4th, 2007 7:57pm
"I think this shows they're NOT 'ruling every miniscule detail of the country' from Washington."

No, all it shows is that either: a) They were previously overstaffed or b) They became understaffed.  Certainly it doesn't mean the government is trying to do less  -- it's just trying to do the same amount with less people.
Permalink Send private email Wayne 
July 4th, 2007 7:59pm
Check your reality distortion field, Wayne, I suspect it's doing too good a job.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 4th, 2007 8:02pm
I expect that kind of response from muppet.
Permalink Send private email Wayne 
July 4th, 2007 8:58pm
Yeah, when you say "OH, Government ALWAYS gets larger", and I say "Well, in this instance it didn't", and you say "Well, yes, but in EFFECT it's POWER got larger", and I say "Well, perhaps, but it costs less and takes less people", and then you say "Nope, it's still just as bad" --

In that case, I think your reality distortion field is making everything you see look bad.  It's hard to make good decisions (or good arguments, for that matter) in that case.

A muppet argument would simply be that you're a moron, repeated again and again ad nauseum.  I don't do that, and I'm not doing that now.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 4th, 2007 11:24pm
"The problem with smaller government is that every time a law gets passed, or a program gets voted in, you need a staff to run it and a computer system to keep track of it."

Stop passing stupid make-work laws then...
Permalink Cheers 
July 5th, 2007 11:45am
Or stop passing them at all... but keep Hubble in a job, and fund science/education and stuff. But stop dicking around with making all the new laws.
Permalink Send private email JoC 
July 5th, 2007 5:23pm
"'Well, perhaps, but it costs less and takes less people', and then you say 'Nope, it's still just as bad'"

I didn't say it was just as bad.  In fact, I said "I agree it's a good thing."  I don't know how you twisted that around.  But those who fight for smaller government aren't fighting merely for fewer government employees but rather less (and more local) government influence.  That's the bigger picture.  Cutting a few jobs is not the same thing.

I'm not necessarily one of those people who fights for smaller government -- I'm more of a socialist.  I think there are some services that government should provide (some of which the US government doesn't do).

But I think that consolidation of power and influence at a single level of government is bad.
Permalink Send private email Wayne 
July 5th, 2007 8:36pm

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