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Meta:  enough of Denman's bullshit

Every goddamn day now there are multiple anti-Israel threads on here. 

Why can't Dan find another forum of creepy insane Jew haters like himself and post that stuff there, where people would agree with him?

I for one am getting pretty fucking tired of it.  I know he's just a troll and trying to get a rise out of people, but I'm surprised that this doesn't bother anyone else. 

How about the rest of you?  Does this only bother me?
Permalink AMerrickanGirl 
July 5th, 2007 6:26am
doesn't bother me. it's the internet. people can say what they want. that's the point.
Permalink $-- 
July 5th, 2007 6:37am
I made my point in another thread (:=).

Thanks bubbeleh.
Permalink LeftWingPharisee 
July 5th, 2007 6:38am
Well, LFP, until you came along I was the only Jew on this board, so I had to endure this crap alone.

People accused me of being an overzealous moderator.  If I had been, I would have deleted every single one of these offensive postings.
Permalink AMerrickanGirl 
July 5th, 2007 6:43am
Denman is not an anti-Israeli anti-Semitic douchebag. He's a hardline hardcore pro-Israeli pro-Jew douchebag who gets high on others defending Israel and Jews. Typical reactionary tactic. Yeah! He's irritating and is now bordering on being a bore. Ban him.
Permalink Send private email (100 + 85)/2 
July 5th, 2007 6:46am
"doesn't bother me. it's the internet. people can say what they want. that's the point."

Yep, unless it pisses off a bunch of people here why ban? Only 1 or 2 people calling for it so far
Permalink what are you reading for? 
July 5th, 2007 6:54am
It's just relentless.  Thread after thread of the same thing, over and over again.

Repost Dildo of the Year award!
Permalink AMerrickanGirl 
July 5th, 2007 6:56am
Im fascinated Dana.

which specific threads in the current set do you find to be anti-jew?


" <snip> there are multiple anti-Israel threads on here. 
<snip> insane Jew haters like himself"

so are his threads anti-israel or anti-jew?  Im fairly sure there is a difference.  In fact these days, from what Ive heard, there can be rather a gulf.


"I for one am getting pretty fucking tired of it."

hey, I feel for you.  it must be dreadful knowing that some boring internet loonie dislikes Israel.

I know that I personally, as an american, am devastated that someone could speak of america and americans with the kind of deep contempt, hatred and disgust as Dan uses.  it is personally very traumatic.

Ive spent a long time coming to terms with the existence of people who dont like me because Im an american.  Having Dan constantly throwing this kind of mindless jerkism constantly in my face is just about more than I can bear.

you know what I wish? 
I wish there were somewhere people like you and I could go where people like Dan cant post.  somewhere private and personal where a few good friends could just chew the fat and we didn't have to deal with the rest of humanity.  Somewhere exclusive.

ah well.  dreamin wont make it so, ay girl?
Permalink worldsSmallestViolin 
July 5th, 2007 7:05am
I was about to write something, but wsv read my mind and said it first.
Permalink Send private email Colm 
July 5th, 2007 7:10am
wSV, lemme ask you: if Denman were talking about African Americans the way he talks about Jews (not Israel, but Jews as Jews), how long would he last?

Maybe Denman could tell his shit to my Rebbe's father-in-law, who survived Dr. Mengele (yes, that one) twice, while checking out the faded blue tattoo on his arm.
Permalink LeftWingPharisee 
July 5th, 2007 7:13am
"wsv read my mind"

...in the same way that the sun garners additional heat from the moon...
Permalink worldsSmallestViolin 
July 5th, 2007 7:14am
"wSV, lemme ask you: if Denman were talking about African Americans the way he talks about Jews (not Israel, but Jews as Jews), how long would he last?"

I honestly dont know.  I would be fascinated to find out.

why not give it a try and see?

it might be easier to make this comparison if you (or AG) were to indicate specifically which of the current set of threads you consider to be anti-jew?

make just point out his anti-jewish posts within those threads if it makes it easier?

"Maybe Denman could tell his shit to my Rebbe's father-in-law, who survived Dr. Mengele (yes, that one) twice, while checking out the faded blue tattoo on his arm."

So Dan isn't allowed to act like a boring jerk because your Rebbe's father-in-law survived Dr. Mengele and has a faded blue tattoo?

Seriously, you need to target your complaints a little better.  Dan is boring and posts WAY too often.  I have in the past (and almost certainly will in the future) delete a heap of his posts for that reason alone.

But to use the incredible suffering caused by the holocaust as a club to argue that some boring internet loonie shouldn't be allowed to post his mindless anti-Israel rants is to trivialise the holocaust.

Dan is a boring jerk. the world is full of them.  I suggest you get used to it.
Permalink worldsSmallestViolin 
July 5th, 2007 7:20am
You know what?  It's not that I can't handle some postings on here that are offensive and/or I don't agree with.

It's the quantity more than anything else.  Three, four, five threads a day on the same subject.  It's spew.  How is this much better than spam?

I didn't say ban him, but I'm allowed to express my opinion.
Permalink AMerrickanGirl 
July 5th, 2007 7:21am
And wSV, get over this Blah thing.  You bring it up every chance you get.  Why is it so important to you that you can't let it go?
Permalink AMerrickanGirl 
July 5th, 2007 7:22am
Denman doesn't bother me at all. He's consistent, honest and clear. I wish he participated a little more in discussions instead of resorting to ad-hominems but it that he's no different than others here.

This is crazy on tap and there's plenty of it.
Permalink Send private email Locutus of Borg 
July 5th, 2007 7:22am
> I didn't say ban him, but I'm allowed to express my opinion.

Actually you're not.  Your opinion is meta and unwelcome here.
Permalink Poser Poster 
July 5th, 2007 7:23am
>And wSV, get over this Blah thing.  You bring it up every
>chance you get.  Why is it so important to you that you
>can't let it go?

He's right in this instance. I think you should probably get over it.
Permalink Send private email Colm 
July 5th, 2007 7:26am
If Denman's opinions are welcome here, then everyone else's opinion is too.
Permalink AMerrickanGirl 
July 5th, 2007 7:26am
That's what I've always said.
Permalink Send private email Colm 
July 5th, 2007 7:27am
"It's the quantity more than anything else.  Three, four, five threads a day on the same subject. "

ah, well thats another point entirely.  I totally agree with you. 


"And wSV, get over this Blah thing.  You bring it up every chance you get.  Why is it so important to you that you can't let it go?"

its tearing me apart inside dana.  I just cant stop thinking about you.  and colm.  posting.  together.

I know its wrong.

I cant stop imagining your soft fingers tapping gently on the slowly curving keyboard of your laptop, your brown eyes staring openly at his bold postings, his insightful mind cutting deeply into your naked psyche, your warm lips opening slightly in surprise at his subtly amusing writings.

his fingers tapping more urgently on his desktop keyboard. his strong, firm hands moving quickly and with masculine grace to enable his free expression of ideas and thoughts.

your gently bobbing boobies moving outward as you take a breath, looking up to discover with surprise that minutes have passed without your noticing.

....Im sorry dana.  I know its wrong.  but Im jealous.  of you.  of colm.  of blah.

god help me.
Permalink worldsSmallestViolin 
July 5th, 2007 7:33am
The Auschwitz reference wasn't an argument. Sorry I wasn't clear about that.

As far as the anti-Jewish references, c'mon, check out some back threads.
Permalink LeftWingPharisee 
July 5th, 2007 7:45am
Oh, wSV, you're just turning me on over here.  Hope it doesn't make me late for work.
Permalink AMerrickanGirl 
July 5th, 2007 7:45am
"The Auschwitz reference wasn't an argument. Sorry I wasn't clear about that. "

huh?  then what was it, exactly?  a casual reference?

"As far as the anti-Jewish references, c'mon, check out some back threads."

yeah, because I just cant get enough of Dan as it is.

Off hand I dont recall seeing much in the way of anti-jew stuff in the postings in todays list.  Now, I may easily have missed some, its not like I bother to actually read his posts....I just open the threads that appear to have a few comments to see what on earth everyone is talking about...


so...if you want I am willing to go out of my way and delete the specifically anti-jewish posts he has made (as opposed to the anti-nationstate ones of course).

all you have to do is provide me with a list.

there are two possibilities here. either you dont care enough to do so, or you do.

which is it?*



"Oh, wSV, you're just turning me on over here.  Hope it doesn't make me late for work."

thats the beauty of working from home darling.  Im just sitting here in my underpants and thinking of starting a fire in the ol' tent.  if you know what I mean.  hur hur hur.




* honestly, if you really want me to eagerly delete dans posts I would push the whole 'he is a boring twat who posts too much' meme, cause Ive got a hell of a lot more sympathy for that one.
Permalink worldsSmallestViolin 
July 5th, 2007 7:53am
Go to town.
Permalink AMerrickanGirl 
July 5th, 2007 7:55am
This is a hard thing to do but...

If a post is started by Dan, just don't click it?
Permalink what are you reading for? 
July 5th, 2007 8:16am
well, sure.  thats easy for _you_ to say.  _you_ aren't a self centred control freak.

christ, some people can just come across like smug, insensitive asshats.
Permalink worldsSmallestViolin 
July 5th, 2007 8:17am
AG, you are mistaking anti-Israel for anti-Jewish. Conflating the two is something intentionally done by the pro-Israel folks in order to try to pretend that Israel is doing something good. Orem used to try that around here and it didn't work, except for a few gulible folks. The two are orthogonal. You'd be better off drawing a 2-variable K-map (a matrix 2 rows high, 2 columns wide), label left column anti-Jew, right column pro-Jew, top row anti-Israel and the bottom row pro-Israel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karnaugh_map

Here is another sample that one should render as another 2-variable k-map:
http://www.crazyontap.com/topic.php?TopicId=7177#90277

We didn't do *anything* about muppet's bile and spew. Why would we do anything more about Denman's spew?
Permalink Peter 
July 5th, 2007 9:24am
>We didn't do *anything* about muppet's bile and spew.

Yep, you did nothing.  Except to delete it, undelete it, delete it again, make me moderator, take away my moderator status, give it again, take it again...

nothing at all.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
July 5th, 2007 9:27am
No, Peter, I think in this instance AG has it right.  I agree with you, it IS possible to object to the Nation of Israel's national activities without being anti-Jewish.

But when a rant ties Israel and Zionism together, I think it's quite correct to object to both the anti-Israeli and anti-Jewish viewpoints in that rant.

Just because it's possible to be anti-Israel but pro-Jewish (or religion neutral), doesn't mean that's the argument that was happening.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 5th, 2007 9:29am
"The Auschwitz reference wasn't an argument. Sorry I wasn't clear about that. "

>huh?  then what was it, exactly?  a casual reference?

Pretty much. Sorry.

Yes, you can criticize the State of Israel without criticizing the Nation of Israel. Yes, yes, yes.

It's obvious to me that anti-semitism is the motivation behind Denman's rantings, but upon reflection, the actual direct anti-semitism only comes out in a few posts. Fine, leave him here, I changed my mind.
Permalink LeftWingPharisee 
July 5th, 2007 9:56am
----"But when a rant ties Israel and Zionism together"---

Zionism and the State of Israel are intimately related, like agriculture and food.

I see no evidence of Denman being anti-semitic. He is intemperate in his criticism of the State of Israel, but objecting to the actions of the government of the State of Israel, or even its very existence as an example of blatant landgrabbery and colonialism is not anti-semitic.
Permalink Send private email Stephen Jones 
July 5th, 2007 11:21am
Zionism and Judaism are not so tightly coupled. There are non-Jewish Zionists, and there are Jewish non-Zionists.

But the overwhelming majority of Jews, both Observant and not, are strongly Zionist.
Permalink LeftWingPharisee 
July 5th, 2007 11:40am
I'm not that clear about non-Jewish Zionists, unless you are referring to those right wingers in the States called Christian Zionists, who include the nutcases who believe in the rapture and therefore need Armageddon first.

Certainly it is perfectly feasible to be Jewish and non-Zionist. There are a fair number of Orthodox Jews who hold that Zionism is anti-Jewish, because it is putting faith in the here, and not the hereafter.

Even in Palestine at the turn of the century the majority of Jews there were not Zionists. Even now you can be an Israeli Jew who believes that there should be one country which would be neither Jewish nor Arab, though even among Ma'aretz this view is not common (Uri Averney wrote an excellent article attacking the idea some time ago).

But Zionism and the belief in the existence of a Jewish State in Palestine are the same thing. The fact that the word has taken on a lot of other meanings is another matter.
Permalink Send private email Stephen Jones 
July 5th, 2007 2:01pm
I find Philo's bullshit more offensive than Denman's.
Permalink  
July 5th, 2007 3:50pm
Okay, we'll just make a record of that.  What was your name again?
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 5th, 2007 3:55pm
I was referring to Christian Zionists.

"There are a fair number of Orthodox Jews who hold that Zionism is anti-Jewish, because it is putting faith in the here, and not the hereafter."

A correction: it's because the current Jewish state was not established by Melech haMoshiach (the Messiah).

There's actually quite a wide range of opinions on the State of Israel (as opposed to the Nation) within the Observant Community. There are nutty anti-Zionists like Neturei Karta, respectable anti-Zionists like the Satmar, all the way to people like my friend, who says Hallel (a special prayer praising Hashem) on Yom haAtzma'ut (Independence Day).

Me, I support the State, of course, but I think that it was founded on some dubious principles.
Permalink LeftWingPharisee 
July 5th, 2007 5:09pm

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