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LeftWingPharisee

I would like you to:

Watch this video of an unarmed cameraman in the Gaza strip getting shot:

http://www.icomment.org/index.php/main/video/show?id=5684462

And:

* Blame it on other Arab states in the middle east or other Palestinians (gee if only they were peaceful this wouldn't happen so it's their fault right?).
* Get frothy at the mouth about other states in the middle east, as if their behavior might vindicate this.
* Claim with a straight face that "Israel isn't perfect" as if this was vindication that it might be.
* Deny that it's terrorism.
Permalink Send private email Colm 
July 6th, 2007 8:32am
Can you tell from this video that this is an unarmed cameraman? And by whom he is being shot?
Permalink Practical Geezer 
July 6th, 2007 9:01am
Wow, that's too bad.  I guess that will be a rallying point for non-violent Palestinians to lay down their arms, unite their government under Hamas and Fatah, and ask world opinion to reign in Israeli aggression.

And perhaps they'll stop firing rockets into Israel as a gesture of peace.

No?  That didn't happen?  That's too bad too.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 6th, 2007 9:06am
First of all, I never trust video coming from Palestinians i.e., the little boy supposedly getting shot next to his cowering Dad was actually killed by other Palestinians. Check out a very sober article by the Atlantic Monthly on that tragedy.

But, for sake of argument, let's assume that this video is the whole truth:

* Blame it on other Arab states in the middle east or other Palestinians (gee if only they were peaceful this wouldn't happen so it's their fault right?).

Why did the Israelis go into Gaza this time? Could it have something to do with rockets getting lobbed into Sderot? What could possibly be the purpose of lobbing these bombs across the green line? Didn't the Israelis do what everybody said they should do, and uproot settlements and give it back to the Palestinians?

So yes, it is the own fault. They should be grateful that the Israelis used restraint. I know the US sure as hell wouldn't.

* Get frothy at the mouth about other states in the middle east, as if their behavior might vindicate this.

It doesn't vindicate Israeli behavior at all. I never said that it did. I just demonstrated that you and your fellow travelers hold Jews to a higher standard than Arabs, but you can't bring yourselves to admit it. Soft racism, like the Decider pretended to care about.

WSV holds Israel to a higher standard, and I said fine, blast away. I certainly do as well. For example, I completely condemned Israel's nonsensical 1982-1999 Lebanon fiasco. It was terrible. I expect better from Israel.

I expect nothing good from Arabs.

* Claim with a straight face that "Israel isn't perfect" as if this was vindication that it might be.

It should be perfect. I wish that it were. I don't condone their mistakes; I just ask that they be put in context.

* Deny that it's terrorism.

Terrorism is a meaningless word. There are statues in Tennessee to Nathan Bedford Forrest, the founder of the KKK, a terrorist organization if there ever were one.

It's funny, I told over that thought to my very right wing friend at his Shabbos table about the suicide bombers. He was very confused, and was getting upset. He asked me what I called them.

Murderers, I said. He relaxed.
Permalink LeftWingPharisee 
July 6th, 2007 9:13am
"I expect nothing good from Arabs."

haha, good work lad
Permalink what are you reading for? 
July 6th, 2007 9:18am
>* Blame it on

...a trigger happy murderous cock with a gun.

The initial shooting might have been entirely justified (notice early on at least one of the people running with that crowd is holding an AK), but the repeated shootings were the result of a murderer, the likes of which hold guns in just about every armed forces of the world.

It isn't necessarily "Israel vs ..." (or the US versus, etc).
Permalink DF 
July 6th, 2007 10:01am
Assuming that the video is accurate, you've got a point, DF.
Permalink LeftWingPharisee 
July 6th, 2007 10:05am
The thing is, it wouldn't matter to me if it were an Israeli or a Palestinian doing the shooting, or which were being shot.

The OP seems to suggest this video makes one side look better/worse.

I didn't watch it. I don't need to. Hundreds of years of them killing each other pretty much tells me that both sides are barbaric morons.
Permalink Send private email JoC 
July 6th, 2007 10:27am
"And perhaps they'll stop firing rockets into Israel as a gesture of peace. "

Israel should stop bombing the shit out of Gaza. I believe Hamas should make life as unsafe as possible for Israelis so that THEY changed their genocidal policy toward Palestinians.

Hamas WILL do that. Enough with Israel's bullshit.
Permalink Dan Denman 
July 6th, 2007 11:01am
Because making somebody's life unsafe is a good way to get them to calm down and be good citizens.  Interesting perspective.  I think this explains Iraqi Militias, too.

Yeah, good luck with that.  Perhaps in Canada the cops come around and fire AK-47's into the air every so often, just to make sure everybody stays calm.  No, wait, they don't do that, do they?
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 6th, 2007 11:04am
>Israel should stop bombing the shit out of Gaza. I believe
>Hamas should make life as unsafe as possible for Israelis so
>that THEY changed their genocidal policy toward
>Palestinians.

Unfortunately he's right. The most rational way to change Israel's current policy is via terrorism.
Permalink Send private email Colm 
July 6th, 2007 7:16pm
And for the record, it has worked before and it'll work again.
Permalink Send private email Colm 
July 6th, 2007 7:16pm
>I expect nothing good from Arabs.

This is pure, unadulterated racism. Enjoy, kids.
Permalink Send private email Colm 
July 6th, 2007 7:17pm
Analyse the leftwingpharisee's words... notice how he blames Arabs as a whole every single time.
Permalink Send private email Colm 
July 6th, 2007 7:28pm
There is no "right" side of this conflict.  Both parties are being stubborn and unwilling to really work to find a solution.  Look how long it took the Northern Ireland situation to die down, and there wasn't oil involved in that one.
Permalink AMerrickanGirl 
July 6th, 2007 7:30pm
"The most rational way to change Israel's current policy is via terrorism."

Such as killing Yitzhak Rabin.
Permalink Rick Zeng 
July 6th, 2007 7:31pm
Don't know. That's DEFINITELY not the fault of Arabs.

maybe.
Permalink Rick Zeng 
July 6th, 2007 7:32pm
>Look how long it took the Northern Ireland situation
>to die down

It didn't just "die down", it took many years of negotiations initiated by the stronger side in order for peace to be achieved.
Permalink Send private email Colm 
July 6th, 2007 7:35pm
Right, and even then, it took years.  So this one isn't going to be solved any time soon either, particularly with so much at stake for so many diverging interests.
Permalink AMerrickanGirl 
July 6th, 2007 7:40pm
And?
Permalink Send private email Colm 
July 6th, 2007 7:45pm
And what?  Calling Israelis or Arabs nasty names isn't going to solve anything.  I suppose it gives forum people something to argue about, though.
Permalink AMerrickanGirl 
July 6th, 2007 7:49pm
"This is pure, unadulterated racism. Enjoy, kids."

No, it isn't. Racism is where you hold that there is some physically significant difference betweens ethnicities, which for almost aspects is nonsense, with the exception of things like suceptibility to sunburn, Tay-Sachs syndrome, etc.

Let me be more specific. I expect nothing good from Arab culture. It hasn't produced much except revenge and oil since the Moghul invasions.

I have great hope that they have started their reformation and enlightenment periods.
Permalink LeftWingPharisee 
July 8th, 2007 8:21pm

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