Sanding our assholes with 150 grit. Slowly. Lovingly.

"The E200 was never sold in the USA"  - bullshit.

there is no possible way xample just happened to have that information in his head.

noone knows shit like that.

he was making that up.

come clean!
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July 9th, 2007 8:30am
Earliest E class was in the early 80's on the W123 chassis and that was a 280E (note that Mercedes marketing department reversed the displacement and class markings in the early 1990's for some reason)

There was a 190E later, but again the marketing department confused everything because it really had a 2.3 liter engine, so should have been called the 230E

http://viewimages.mbz.org/by_chassis/Sedan/
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July 9th, 2007 8:43am
right.  but you had to look it up, right? 

you hadn't even heard of it before you looked it up, right?

hmm?
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July 9th, 2007 8:45am
I knew that they had never sold a 2.0 liter engine in an E-Class, but I did Google it to make sure I hadn't missed one.

Dad had a 1956 190SL, and I used to have a 1999 ML-320.  I've been to the Mercedes Museum in Stuttgart twice now.  Since I was last there, they've moved it to a new building, so the next time I'm in Germany I'll have to go see it a third time. :-)

I've also been to the Porsche museum twice (don't bother, unless you're really a Porsche fanatic), and both the BMW museums (Munich and Spartanburg/Greer SC)
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July 9th, 2007 8:51am
Favorite Mercedes?  1930 Count Trossi SSK

http://www.pbase.com/rsrock/image/45542275
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July 9th, 2007 8:57am
I know for a fact it wasn't.

The EXXX nomenclature only began with the late-model W124 bodystyle, and that started with the E230. For the W210 bodystyle, the E200 was technically available, but only as a bargain basement model sold in taxi trim. MB's factory-outfitted taxi models were never sold in the US, and no E-classes with an engine that small were ever considered viable for the market.

The W211, current bodystyle, cannot possibly exist as an E200, simply because there is no more naturally aspirated 2.0 engine in the Mercedes range. There is a supercharged 2.0, but it's called the 200K, not the 200. Even then, an E-class with an engine as small and weak as the 200K was never and will never be sold in the US.
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July 9th, 2007 11:00am
Sorry: mostly taxi trim. You could buy an E200 W210 in standard spec levels, but they're very rare, and Euro-only.

For a bonus, did you know that BMW actually built 4-cylinder versions of the 5-series? The late 80s-mid 90s E34 was sold as a 518i to the Scandinavian market, where the six-cylinder models were not viable because of the taxes tied into engine output.
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July 9th, 2007 11:04am
fuck me. merc-nerds a-gogo.
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July 9th, 2007 11:35am
>> There is a supercharged 2.0, but it's called the 200K, not the 200. <<

We got the 2.3 liter Kompressor in the SLK-230.  Perhaps this was a bored-out version of that engine?  For that size car, a four-cylinder (supercharged) delivered an appropriate level of power.

Unfortunately, it was competing with the BMW Z3 and the Audi TT, both of which had more power, cost less, and were more fun to drive.

Later they somehow they managed to stuff the 3.2 liter V6 into it as an AMG model.  Loads of power, but the body wasn't really up to handling it.
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July 9th, 2007 12:36pm
"Perhaps this was a bored-out version of that engine?"

I'll tell you a secret - it's actually the same engine, but tweaked for more output. Both the 200K and the 230K actually have a displacement of... 1.8 liters. :)

The 32AMG was a weird & desperate attempt to give the SLK enough power to compete reasonably with the BMW M Roadster and the Porsche Boxster S. (The Boxster had less power, but a better chassis, mostly due to being mid-engined - helps tremendously.) The regular 3.2 V6 block was the preferred engine in the SLK, but nothing bigger would fit into the car, it does after all date from the mid 90s.

So they gave it a high-pressure Lysholm supercharger. Now, the little Kompressors have a Roots-type centrifugal supercharger, which is low-pressure, but has all the classic advantages - it's always spinning, doesn't take too much power away to operate itself, it's simple and reliable. Hell, the tech goes back to the Bentley Blowers of the 30s, and of course this thing: http://www.autoreview.ru/archive/2001/23/kunstkamera/800/kunst-10.jpg

The Lysholm is a screw-type compressor, and gives very high pressure. What they did was actually attach it through a separate clutch, activated electronically. In most conditions it was a normal 3.2, but when you put your foot down, the clutch engaged, the ECU reset the fuel map, and off you went (into the nearest hedge).

They did put the same engine into the C-class sedan and, most entertainingly, station wagon. However that didn't last very long - before the W202 bodystyle ran out, they did make a C55AMG with a naturally-aspirated V8.

And I'm not a merc-nerd, I'm not even especially fond of Mercs. Wouldn't own one, feels too much like a taxi. I just know about cars.
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July 9th, 2007 3:23pm
>> Both the 200K and the 230K actually have a displacement of... 1.8 liters. :)  <<

Damned marketing department!

:-)
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