Sanding our assholes with 150 grit.

Who is an American?

White? WASP? they gradually become another minority.

Black? Hispanic? Native Indians? Jews? Arabs?

Any one raised in the US?

A Japanese born, raised in the US is more American or more Japanese?

And what about all these people that are born on US soil (including on ships, embassies and parents come to use to work and give birth to child) ???
Permalink Owen 
July 9th, 2007 3:06pm
An Ecuadorian.
Permalink Send private email (100+85)/2 
July 9th, 2007 3:10pm
Owen:

Not understanding your question?  Are you looking for native americans?

Probably wont find many here.
Permalink Bot Berlin 
July 9th, 2007 3:11pm
Born in the US, family moved to Canada when I was very young.  Got my Canadian citizenship a couple years ago, so now I have both.  (missed out on a chance to get Turkish citizenship, rats!)
Permalink Send private email Ward 
July 9th, 2007 3:15pm
I am.
Permalink xampl 
July 9th, 2007 3:15pm
I am talking about the identity of US of A.

I am trying to figure out what are the core values? and who are the people constiuting the core of USA?

(Are we whites loosing our place?)
Permalink Owen 
July 9th, 2007 3:15pm
ships don't count as "born on US soil"
I'm not sure about embassies, but consider that the hospital usually isn't on embassy grounds.
Military bases don't count.

But if the mom is inside the border when she gives birth, the baby is a citizen, period.
Permalink Send private email Philo 
July 9th, 2007 3:16pm
"I am talking about the identity of US of A."

I am black american and part Cherokee (from grandmother's side).  I think the white majority is slowly waning, hispanic community is gaining in size.
Permalink Bot Berlin 
July 9th, 2007 3:17pm
Those who are born on American soil (or are naturalized), and are willing to follow the Constitution.  Hopefully are willing to follow the Declaration of Independence regarding Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.  Hopefully agree with the Gettysburg Address regarding Government of the People, by the People, and for the People.

Thus it should not matter if the majority is white anglo-saxon protestant males or not.  As long as they ascribe to and follow those principles, America should continue to work out for everybody.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 9th, 2007 3:21pm
Fat.  By our girth you shall know us.
Permalink Send private email Clay Dowling 
July 9th, 2007 3:29pm
Bot, as a black man, what is the future you predict for white Americans?
Permalink Owen 
July 9th, 2007 3:33pm
> Those who are born on American soil (or are naturalized)

there's actually a third way.
Permalink Send private email strawdog sobriquet 
July 9th, 2007 3:33pm
And the third way is?

<Straight line Theater, coming to you from our Nation's Capital!>
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 9th, 2007 3:36pm
by marriage
Permalink Owen 
July 9th, 2007 3:37pm
(3rd) born to American parents abroad or (4th) minor child through naturalization of parents.
Permalink zed 
July 9th, 2007 3:38pm
by marriage is the same as naturalization, slightly different application procedure, but otherwise the same.
Permalink Send private email Ward 
July 9th, 2007 3:39pm
> by marriage

bzzt.  It might lay the groundwork for naturalization, but I don't think anyone gets citizenship "by marriage."
Permalink zed 
July 9th, 2007 3:39pm
"Bot, as a black man, what is the future you predict for white Americans?

I don't know, never thought about.  When I envision a typical  "white" family/upbringing,  I always thought about the brady bunch or the beavers.  That typical, conservative all-american family is probably gone.  Which isnt bad or good.  I don't know how you would characterize it.  I could be wrong, but I think the "white" american family/lifestyle is being more replaced with something along the lines of "married with children/family guy/simpsons/intervention(hehe, on bravo)" Slap me if I am out of bounds here.  Also, minorities haven't really gravitated towards those "professional" jobs as much which still seem to be held by "white" americans.  Black and hispanic americans are getting into local politics, law but haven't made too much of a mark in the congress or federal system?
Permalink Bot Berlin 
July 9th, 2007 3:43pm
I think Oren was asking "who do you consider to BE an American", not "who legally IS and American".

I consider the naturalization process (learning enough about American history and the Constitution and balance of powers and the three branches of US Government) to be critical pieces of learning to become an American Citizen.

Just because I marry a Russian Bride doesn't immediately make her an American, IMHO.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 9th, 2007 3:44pm
>>> doesn't immediately make her an American, IMHO.

It's not just your opinion, that's how it works.  She's not an american until naturalized, and although there are a few shortcuts, the process of naturalization is largely the same.
Permalink Send private email Ward 
July 9th, 2007 3:45pm
Bot, how is "married with children" not the conservative family?
Permalink Owen 
July 9th, 2007 3:55pm
Wow, if THAT'S all it takes, the Democrats are doomed.  Fortunately, getting married and having kids doesn't turn most people's brains off, nor makes them psychopathically selfish, nor makes them want to cut all social programs, nor invade countries on false pretenses.

At least, not if the couple is making less than $200,000 a year of of investements.  But if they're already making $200,000 a year off of investements, they weren't likely to be Democrats in the first place.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 9th, 2007 4:04pm
"Bot, how is "married with children" not the conservative family?"

Well, besides the 2 parent family.  It is not the "dad is a doctor", "mom is lawyer or a good family person" family.

It kind of seems like the new, typical, american family.  Dad is working a 9-5 retail job.  Mom may or may not work.  Daughter will probably end up working at walmart, or married some ex-convict.  Son is C-D community college student, loser.
Permalink Bot Berlin 
July 9th, 2007 4:06pm
BOT are you referring to low class white people?
Permalink Owen 
July 9th, 2007 4:15pm
"BOT are you referring to low class white people?"

I don't know what I am saying.
Permalink Bot Berlin 
July 9th, 2007 4:17pm
Bot, in the 90's big monopoly corporations were crackes (see AT&T). They used to charge a premium price for their services but shared the profit with their employees.

In 2006, Jobs was paid 600 millions and Hersey moved their plant to Mexico and fired 3,000.

That's the economy, these are the values of MONEY.
Permalink Owen 
July 9th, 2007 4:24pm
i guess it's a forth or fifth way.

if you're the underaged child of naturalized citizen, you can become a citizen without being naturalized, or being born on soil, etc.
Permalink Send private email strawdog sobriquet 
July 9th, 2007 4:25pm
for fucks sake strawdog,  INTRA-THREAD REPOST DILDO!

http://www.crazyontap.com/topic.php?TopicId=20289#234153
Permalink zed 
July 9th, 2007 4:36pm
ok, oops. who reads the whole thread b4 posting?
Permalink Send private email strawdog sobriquet 
July 9th, 2007 4:52pm
God is an American.
Permalink Michael B 
July 9th, 2007 5:44pm
God received his citizenship with ease due to his son citizenship.
Permalink Owen 
July 9th, 2007 6:04pm
BTW, children of citizens born overseas are born US Citizens, not naturalized.
Permalink Send private email Philo 
July 9th, 2007 6:06pm
>>> BTW, children of citizens born overseas are born US Citizens

Not in all cases.
Permalink Send private email Ward 
July 9th, 2007 6:10pm
>I Am An American
I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four. You could write them on your thumbnail, or you could sweep them clear across this bright autumn sky. But remember too that they are more than words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them, speak them firmly; speak them proudly; speak them gratefully.
I AM AN AMERICAN.
http://www.purdue.edu/Bands/aamb/iamanamericanbg.html
Permalink Peter 
July 9th, 2007 6:35pm
Hey,

I am not a lumber jack or a fur trader,

and I don't live in an igloo or eat blubber or own a dog sled,

and I don't know Jimmy, Sally or Suzie from Canada although I am certain they're really really nice

I have a Prime Minster not a president.

I speak English and French, not American,  and I pronounce it about, not a boot.

I can proudly sew my countries flag on my back pack,

I believe in peace keeping not policing, diversity not assimilation,

and that the beaver is a truly proud and noble animal.

A toque is a hat, a chesterfield is a couch.

And it is pronounced zed, not zee, zed.

Canada is the second largest landmass, the first nation of hockey, and the best part of North America, my name is Joe, and I am Canadian.
Permalink Send private email Ward 
July 9th, 2007 6:45pm
Or the Captain Kirk version:

Hey.

I'm not a Starfleet commander, or T.J. Hooker.

I don't live on Starship NCC dash seventeen oh... or own a phaser.

And I don't know anybody named Bones, Sulu, or Spock.

And no, I've never had green alien sex, but I'm sure it would be quite an evening.

I speak English... and French, not Klingon!

I drink Labatt's, not Romulan ale!

And when someone says to me 'Live long and prosper', I seriously mean it when I say, 'Get a life'.

My doctor's name is not McCoy, it's Ginsberg.

And tribbles were puppets, not real animals.  PUPPETS!

And when I speak, I never, ever talk like every.
Word.
Is.
Its.
Own.
Sentence.

I live in California, but I was raised in Montreal.

And I believe in Priceline.com, Where you never have to pay full price for airline tickets, hotels and car rentals.

I've appeared on stage at Stratford, at Carnegie Hall,
Albert Hall, and the Monkland Theatre in NDG.

And yes, I've gone where no man has gone before, BUT
I was in Mexico and her father gave me permission!

My name is William Shatner, and I am Canadian!
Permalink Send private email Ward 
July 9th, 2007 6:49pm
people with dual citizenship are lame.
Permalink Send private email strawdog sobriquet 
July 9th, 2007 7:06pm
>>> BTW, children of citizens born overseas are born US Citizens

>>Not in all cases.

In which cases isn't this true?
Permalink hello. 
July 9th, 2007 7:06pm
If only one parent is a US citizen.
Permalink Send private email Ward 
July 9th, 2007 7:27pm
Gets complicated... depends on how long the citizen parent lived in the US.
Permalink zed 
July 9th, 2007 7:44pm
and how long they've lived outside.
Permalink Send private email Ward 
July 9th, 2007 7:50pm
and where they met their first spouse, and how many fingers and how many toes they have, and if the can wiggle their noses and ears, ...
Permalink zed 
July 9th, 2007 7:57pm

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