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Literature on suicide?

I'm looking for literature on suicide, classic or contempary doesn't matter.

Anyone know of anything? I tried searching around but didn't get much luck on some german books.
Permalink what are you reading for? 
July 10th, 2007 4:27pm
You wouldn't have found a "Suicide for Dummies" book, would you?
Permalink Killing Time 
July 10th, 2007 4:29pm
Ah the jokes are early

No i'm trying to understad the death of someone close to me, this crowd has some brains
Permalink what are you reading for? 
July 10th, 2007 4:30pm
Oh. My deepest apologies and sympathies, mein freund.
Permalink Killing Time 
July 10th, 2007 4:31pm
Here's one I remember from University:


We all thought it was funny to read about the number of ways people have killed themselves while trying to have an orgasm (electrocution, vacuum cleaner mishaps, lots of hanging), until a guy apparently tried one of them on himself.  He wasn't a close friend, just another younger geek in the Physics club, but still...
Permalink Send private email Ward 
July 10th, 2007 4:32pm
There's some interesting research into which societies allow suicide and which ones criminalize it. Suicide is illegal in the US I think. The conclusions I've seen are that suicide is the ultimate freedom an individual has to tell society to go fuck itself, and that it is societies obsessed with greater power and control over individuals that criminalize it. Those that permit it are totalitarian or authoritarian states in which individuals are already controlled and thus suicide is not a threat to the public order.
Permalink Practical Economist 
July 10th, 2007 4:44pm
Thats interesting, from what i've been reading today its Chrisitan culture that disallows it as life is a gift from god. Whereas Arabic and far eastern culture allows this more and is more widely accepted (Japan I think the reference was to)

Thats a weird book there Ward, check the "Customers who read this also read" haha some mad suff
Permalink what are you reading for? 
July 10th, 2007 4:51pm
Yep, suicide is 'the cardinal sin' according to the Catholic Church, if memory serves correctly.

And suicide - as a matter of saving face, at least - seems acceptable in Japan.
Permalink Full name 
July 10th, 2007 4:53pm
Why Catholicism is anti-suicide: "God hasn't finished punishing you on earth yet."
Permalink Send private email heartsheep 
July 10th, 2007 4:57pm
Lol, sounds about right, heartsheep.
Permalink Full name 
July 10th, 2007 4:59pm
It is highly amusing that suicide is illegal.  If it is successful, the prosecution tends to be difficult.
Permalink AMerrickanGirl 
July 10th, 2007 5:22pm
It mostly isn't successful though. Particularly for women.
Permalink Send private email Colm 
July 10th, 2007 5:47pm
Making it illegal is pretty bizarre. For those who survive and are prosecuted, well sheesh, this just confirms the feelings of unfairness and despair that led to the suicide.

I can get behind criminalizing assisted suicide because there is too much room for manipulation and abuse here. Uninsured sick people requiring expensive treatments will be given propaganda films about how the moral choice is to do the right thing and spare their family the financial and emotional burden. This is already the case in medicine in some sectors and would simply become an institutionalized best economic practice if formally allowed.
Permalink Practical Economist 
July 10th, 2007 5:53pm
Which is why I always thought it was illegal. OUr mental health laws go such that unless you are an immediate threat to yourself or others they cannot hold you against your will.

This gives them something to 'hold' you with to force you to be treated. Not entirely bad or barbaric, only at first seeming counterintuitive.
Permalink Send private email JoC 
July 10th, 2007 5:53pm
Hm, hadn't thought of that. Isn't that a separate issue though, being able to hold someone for observation vs arresting them and putting them in jail for making an attempt?
Permalink Practical Economist 
July 10th, 2007 5:58pm
if you're under 20 or thereabouts, society is supporting you.

after then you're putting stuff back in. till you retire or start drawing too much medical services out.

in a more cynical world, society would say "kill yourself after you retire, sure, but not before, you haven't paid off your debt to the society bringing you up".

but that's too hard a rule. so: 'no suicide for you!'.
Permalink Send private email strawdog soubriquet 
July 10th, 2007 6:04pm
What type of literature do you want?

Whether suicide is permissible or how to deal with a suicidal person?

For the first type:

Assisted Suicide: The Philosophers' Brief http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1237

Hume on suicide
Permalink Rick Zeng 
July 10th, 2007 6:07pm
Both of those topics realy and how to deal with the loss of a parent through suicide.
Permalink what are you reading for? 
July 10th, 2007 6:50pm
shit, that sucks. condolences.
Permalink Send private email strawdog soubriquet 
July 10th, 2007 7:05pm
Yeah, that sucks.

Only time will heal. Think about the good time.
Permalink Rick Zeng 
July 10th, 2007 7:09pm
this isn't literature about suicide, but your parent thing made me remember this book (it's about depression):


in it the author, sees and assists his mother's own suicide (when he's only 28 or so himself). he traces back his lifelong struggle with depression to this event.

the book is fabulous by the way.
Permalink Send private email strawdog soubriquet 
July 10th, 2007 7:24pm
Thanks for the link

Its been 8 years now and i'm just getting around to processing/dealing/understanding it but its hard to find material on it.
Permalink what are you reading for? 
July 10th, 2007 7:30pm
Kevorkian wrote a book on how to suicide, intended for people with fatal, non-operable conditions.

I read parts of it in a bookstore, but decided not to buy it.  I don't own a hand-gun either, for that matter.

I understand Kevorkian recently got out of jail for assisting in a suicide.  He's going to keep a low profile for a while.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 10th, 2007 7:45pm
Is it suicide if you let yourself die by neglecting your health?

Is it suicide if you overdose on heroin to avoid the emotional and physical pain of Lou Gehrig's?
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
July 10th, 2007 11:51pm
I'd have to say yes to both, assuming you know that dying is the consequence of your (in)action.
Permalink Full name 
July 11th, 2007 9:21am

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