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Tshirt design help

A few days ago I mentioned this:

http://dowling.lazarusid.com/node/19

I asked my wife about it, and she suggested the same quote on the back with a picture of the twin towers going down.  I like it, although I'd rather use a sura from the Quran.  Problem: I don't even own a Quran, let alone have any familiarity with the contents.  Does anybody here have said familiarity?  I'm particularly interested in passages about the distinction between soldiers and civilians, which I'm pretty sure are there.
Permalink Send private email Clay Dowling 
July 12th, 2007 11:48am
maybe it's best not to quote another religion's text if one has absolutely no context for what is being quoted.

(a quick search of the M.H. Shakir translation revealed no matched for 'soldier' or 'civilian'.)

[28.43] And certainly We gave Musa the Book after We had destroyed the former generations, clear arguments for men and a guidance and a mercy, that they may be mindful.
Permalink Send private email strawdog sobriquet 
July 12th, 2007 11:57am
You want freedom fighters who are horribly outmatched, outgunned, and outnumbered to go after ridiculously superior MILITARY targets?

Fuck off.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
July 12th, 2007 12:17pm
You want military action to be fair & noble?

Moron.
Permalink Send private email Flasher T 
July 12th, 2007 12:20pm
Who said that?  It just flat out doesn't make any sense to hit targets where the impact will be negligible to none.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
July 12th, 2007 12:23pm
Clearly you've never heard of the Tet Offensive.
Permalink Send private email Clay Dowling 
July 12th, 2007 12:34pm
BTW, found a Quran online and read a couple of chapters.  Fascinating in how much it references Christianity and Judaism.  Complete with references to the resurrection of Christ.
Permalink Send private email Clay Dowling 
July 12th, 2007 12:35pm
Yes its quite an eye opener isn't it?

Anyway the T is great are you going to get some printed?
Permalink what are you reading for? 
July 12th, 2007 12:39pm
Duh! Moslems and Jews are cousins. They better refer to their uncles and aunts!
Permalink Send private email (100+85)/2 
July 12th, 2007 12:44pm
Musa = Moses in above quote.
Permalink Send private email strawdog sobriquet 
July 12th, 2007 12:59pm
I understand where your wife is coming from and I agree it would be brave of her to wear such a tee shirt while vacationing in Saudi Arabia, but in the US it's just a cheap and obvious shot.
Permalink Practical Economist 
July 12th, 2007 1:01pm
I would counter that it's just as appropriate as the quote and picture on the front.  It's a fine example of an act comitted in the name of religion that violates the core tenets of that religion.
Permalink Send private email Clay Dowling 
July 12th, 2007 1:26pm
"Duh! Moslems and Jews are cousins. They better refer to their uncles and aunts!"

I'll thank you to remember that Jews were around long before Christianity was even thought of. ;)
Permalink Send private email Flasher T 
July 12th, 2007 2:41pm
I'll tell you what Clay, how about I take my Israeli Air Force T-shirt with me and wear it in Paris, and see how that goes. ;)
Permalink Send private email Flasher T 
July 12th, 2007 2:42pm
It's a cheap shot and cowardly. Everybody knows that "Islam is a Religion of Peace" is a big fat joke, so putting it on a tee shirt is not very bold UNLESS you are a muslim and wearing it to muslim gatherings in muslim places, as a statement that the religion needs to get its act together and stop being hypocritical. In the US, wearing a tee-shirt like that is no different than a shirt saying "Camel-ass sniffing ragheads can suck my dick!", and just as tasteful.
Permalink Practical Economist 
July 12th, 2007 3:12pm
You've met a lot of violent muslims?  Because all of the muslims I've worked with have been calm people who tended to have their shit together and work hard.  They're probably going to be inclined to agree with the sentiment.
Permalink Send private email Clay Dowling 
July 12th, 2007 4:18pm
OK, sell the teeshirt to them, I am ok with that.

The abu gharib one I think only works if WORN by a christian, preferably to a christian church. Some militant atheist wearing it is just stupid because then it's just a statement of hate, rather than one of reform. Big difference if you want change. One will provoke a reaction, the other a response.
Permalink Practical Economist 
July 12th, 2007 5:33pm
"You've met a lot of violent muslims?"

All of the married male muslims I know are violent towards their wives.
Permalink Practical Economist 
July 12th, 2007 5:33pm
You live with some assholes then PE.
Permalink Send private email Clay Dowling 
July 13th, 2007 8:50am

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