A few days ago I mentioned this:

http://dowling.lazarusid.com/node/19

I asked my wife about it, and she suggested the same quote on the back with a picture of the twin towers going down.  I like it, although I'd rather use a sura from the Quran.  Problem: I don't even own a Quran, let alone have any familiarity with the contents.  Does anybody here have said familiarity?  I'm particularly interested in passages about the distinction between soldiers and civilians, which I'm pretty sure are there.

maybe it's best not to quote another religion's text if one has absolutely no context for what is being quoted.

(a quick search of the M.H. Shakir translation revealed no matched for 'soldier' or 'civilian'.)

[28.43] And certainly We gave Musa the Book after We had destroyed the former generations, clear arguments for men and a guidance and a mercy, that they may be mindful.

You want freedom fighters who are horribly outmatched, outgunned, and outnumbered to go after ridiculously superior MILITARY targets?

Fuck off.

You want military action to be fair & noble?

Moron.

Who said that?  It just flat out doesn't make any sense to hit targets where the impact will be negligible to none.

Clearly you've never heard of the Tet Offensive.

BTW, found a Quran online and read a couple of chapters.  Fascinating in how much it references Christianity and Judaism.  Complete with references to the resurrection of Christ.

Yes its quite an eye opener isn't it?

Anyway the T is great are you going to get some printed?

Duh! Moslems and Jews are cousins. They better refer to their uncles and aunts!

Musa = Moses in above quote.

I understand where your wife is coming from and I agree it would be brave of her to wear such a tee shirt while vacationing in Saudi Arabia, but in the US it's just a cheap and obvious shot.

I would counter that it's just as appropriate as the quote and picture on the front.  It's a fine example of an act comitted in the name of religion that violates the core tenets of that religion.

"Duh! Moslems and Jews are cousins. They better refer to their uncles and aunts!"

I'll thank you to remember that Jews were around long before Christianity was even thought of. ;)

I'll tell you what Clay, how about I take my Israeli Air Force T-shirt with me and wear it in Paris, and see how that goes. ;)

It's a cheap shot and cowardly. Everybody knows that "Islam is a Religion of Peace" is a big fat joke, so putting it on a tee shirt is not very bold UNLESS you are a muslim and wearing it to muslim gatherings in muslim places, as a statement that the religion needs to get its act together and stop being hypocritical. In the US, wearing a tee-shirt like that is no different than a shirt saying "Camel-ass sniffing ragheads can suck my dick!", and just as tasteful.

You've met a lot of violent muslims?  Because all of the muslims I've worked with have been calm people who tended to have their shit together and work hard.  They're probably going to be inclined to agree with the sentiment.

OK, sell the teeshirt to them, I am ok with that.

The abu gharib one I think only works if WORN by a christian, preferably to a christian church. Some militant atheist wearing it is just stupid because then it's just a statement of hate, rather than one of reform. Big difference if you want change. One will provoke a reaction, the other a response.

"You've met a lot of violent muslims?"

All of the married male muslims I know are violent towards their wives.

You live with some assholes then PE.