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How It's Made - baby chicks

I was upset this morning by the show.

They showed chicken eggs in a factory, hatching, vaccinated, separated by gender..all on conveyor belts with thousands of them being shoved through pipes and hit with separation bars/mechanisms.

I don't think of chicks the same way I do fish, I guess.  I felt really sorry that they were being treated like corn ears or broccoli.

They are shipped off to farmers and such.

Sigh.  Poor little baby chicks--hatching and beginning life in a factory as a food source.
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July 14th, 2007 1:56pm
That's pretty much going to taint my day.
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July 14th, 2007 1:56pm
Somewhat related, I think a "How Its Made" show on veal calves would be pretty boring.
Permalink Send private email arg! 
July 14th, 2007 2:05pm
Oh man, if you didn't like that do NOT watch the shows about how they are treated as adults. They cram them in these tiny cages, force feed them drugs, and saw off their beaks so, in their psychotic sickly state, they won't peck each other to death. They also work on making it so all their feathers fall off and they don't have to be plucked. It's really gross and you'll not buy store bought factory chicken if you have any inkling of the truth.
Permalink Practical Economist 
July 14th, 2007 2:14pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debeaking


There are alternatives. Buy free range chicken instead.
Permalink Practical Economist 
July 14th, 2007 2:17pm
Time for another plug for "The Omnivore's Dilemma."  It covers most of the problems w/ industrial farming, including cows, chickens, pigs.  Not in huge detail and not specifically to horrify the reader.  But enough to remind you of the problems.

Where does E Coli in beef come from?  The cows are standing in their own shit most of the time.  Some of it doesn't get washed off during processing and makes its way into the final product.

etc.
Permalink Send private email Ward 
July 14th, 2007 2:38pm
you'd lay off most factory meat and even fish if you knew the realities. just about everything that can be done in the name of cost reduction has been, and if it has taken the mentality of a Dr Goebbels to achieve that, so be it.
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July 15th, 2007 5:57am
Yup.  Buy free range or organic chicken instead.  If enough people do this, the market will force a change on the suppliers.
Permalink Send private email xampl 
July 15th, 2007 7:39am
The market will just change to accommodate both options: those who are willing to pay more for the "guilt lite" edition and those who want cheap chicken.

The guilt lite edition will be more profitable on the whole, since the grocery stores will exploit people's willingness to pay more to full effect, as well as their ignorance of how much more a free range chicken costs to raise than battery.
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July 15th, 2007 9:21am
> just about everything that can be done in the name of cost reduction has been

Well then spend more. As if giving people money is difficult.

As Colm said market segmentations is already upon us.

Also if one actually reads the Omnivore's Dilemma you see that a thousand free range chickens get the *option* of running around in 4 feet of grass. They usually don't as it's too scary. Pay extra for free range or organic? Is it mostly buying indulgences?
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July 15th, 2007 10:51am
"Dr Goebbels"

Exactly. Dr Goebbels and Dr Frankenstein, back from the dead, working together as good zombies do. It really is that twisted.
Permalink Practical Economist 
July 15th, 2007 1:24pm
I call shenanigans.

either you give all 00animals the same rights as a human (which would be great in my own personal fantasyland), or treat a certain percentage of certain species as a source of food and nothing else.

Any middle ground is ridiculously hypocritical. "They have feelings we should respect"... till we put a dollar value on their souls and slaughter/eat them?

If you are disgusted by their treatment during upbringing, why are you not disgusted that we kill them and eat their flesh when it is not at all required for human survival? They die inhumanely because you like how they taste, and nothing more.

The middle ground seems to me like would be vegetarians who like the taste of meat too much to follow through with action on their convictions.

I was a strict vegetarian for over 3 years, till I found a certain "moral flexability". People who do not like the way humans are served meat at the lowest possible price point have more to comtemplate than just free range vs. coop chickens.
Permalink Send private email arg! 
July 15th, 2007 7:58pm
Idiocy.

If you eat meat, which humans do since they are carnivores, there is no need to torture and abuse your prey its whole life. You have the option of raising and slaughtering it respectfully. If you don't understand that, then yes, be a vegetarian.
Permalink Practical Economist 
July 15th, 2007 8:41pm

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