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Do you debate politics at all, face to face?

Ever?  I met this us attorney worker, a lawyer who isnt political.  Thought I would chat it up, but he doesn't do politics.  What sense does that make.
Permalink Bot Berlin 
July 14th, 2007 7:17pm
a lawyer who isn't political is a lawyer who knows you would not agree with him about politics?
Permalink Send private email arg! 
July 14th, 2007 7:20pm
I do discuss politics quite a bit in public. I can be an embarrassing dinner date since if I feel people at an adjacent table could benefit from it, I will give a speech to my companion about some topic that I think the random strangers should hear.
Permalink Practical Economist 
July 14th, 2007 7:43pm
Half the time you're very smart. The other half of the time you're wildly misguided, and probably even more annoying to the people around you. I do sometimes wonder why you're so polarized.
Permalink Send private email Colm 
July 14th, 2007 7:49pm
> Ever?

Not with someone who I know will disagree. There's really nothing good that will come of it except hard feelings.
Permalink son of parnas 
July 14th, 2007 8:59pm
What's the point of debating politics with someone who you know is going to agree with you? What do you get out of it, besides validation?
Permalink Full name 
July 14th, 2007 9:02pm
>Not with someone who I know will disagree. There's really
>nothing good that will come of it except hard feelings.

So you wouldn't actually change your mind about anything then?
Permalink Send private email Colm 
July 14th, 2007 9:04pm
The middle ground is desirable.  Someone you neither know will agree nor you know will disagree.
Permalink Aaron 
July 14th, 2007 9:05pm
I figure intelligent people is best, irrespective of their likelihood to agree or disagree.
Permalink Send private email Colm 
July 14th, 2007 9:09pm
I find those the most likely to fall into that desirable middle ground.
Permalink Aaron 
July 14th, 2007 9:10pm
Ah, but so will stupid people. Need to separate the wheat from the f**king retarded.
Permalink Send private email Colm 
July 14th, 2007 9:11pm
A quick debate should reveal whether or not they're worth debating, then.
Permalink Aaron 
July 14th, 2007 9:16pm
I guess this is what happens (good real, right vs left):

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9prW8m5SOOw
Permalink Bot Berlin 
July 14th, 2007 9:30pm
I don't think I have heard a person say "I love George W Bush"
Permalink Bot Berlin 
July 14th, 2007 9:30pm
>I guess this is what happens (good real, right vs left):

Jeez. That video made me cringe.
Permalink Send private email Colm 
July 14th, 2007 9:34pm
Sometimes, I love you, PE.  I enjoy people who openly make fools of themselves.  There's nothing worse than people who take themselves too seriously.

I just wouldn't take you to a company dinner.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
July 14th, 2007 9:39pm
The pro-Iraq War man in that video IS the people I work with, generally, but without that accent.

Sad, really.  If I say, Okay, you go to Iraq--they get quiet and they don't talk to me the rest of the day.

Better to just avoid the whole thing.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
July 14th, 2007 9:41pm
"The pro-Iraq War man in that video IS the people I work with, generally, but without that accent. "

I work with them, with the accent.
Permalink Bot Berlin 
July 14th, 2007 9:42pm
I used to be a regular on the leading anti Michael Moore website, and the people there argued like that. What came out of their mouth was basically a diatribe of regurgitated talking points.

The most interesting thing I discovered was that they managed to maintain their fictional outlook without cognitive dissonance by ignoring the world in general, and just focusing on the minor idiocies of the "Democraps". Much like Philo and his "Al Gore invented the Internet" rant ;)
Permalink Send private email Colm 
July 14th, 2007 9:48pm
"The most interesting thing I discovered was that they managed to maintain their fictional outlook without cognitive dissonance by ignoring the world in general, and just focusing on the minor idiocies of"

It was kind of interesting.  One guy asked about 20 something percent support Bush or the war.  He didn't have a comment for that.  If you are in the 20% club, and can't see the evidence of the failed situation over there in the last couple of years; your argument goes out the window.

To answer his question.  If we do leave right now.  Civil war could potentially wage between the three factions over there.  I dont think Al-Qaeda has the power to rule over the entire country and the Iraqi police have a chance for ending unrest over time.  It won't be pretty but at this point, the American military should occupy the nation.  Will Al-Qaeda reach the US if we leave now.  Probably not.

On the other side, I don't know what Sheehan's motive is now.  If it is to speak for the side of the ending the war and get troops home, she has a place to do so.  If it is to just constantly fight with Bush and Pelosi, I think she should just save her energy.
Permalink Bot Berlin 
July 14th, 2007 9:54pm
"It won't be pretty but at this point, the American military should occupy the nation."

Should not.
Permalink Bot Berlin 
July 14th, 2007 9:54pm
Philo is pretty much the poster boy for the fooled by the republicans dumb middle class white guy.
Permalink rocco 
July 14th, 2007 9:54pm
"Philo is pretty much the poster boy for the fooled by the republicans dumb middle class white guy."

Hold on here.  Complete slander on Philo.  I dont know if he is republican, democrat or neither but he has been against the Bush administration in various posts.

Dont lie.
Permalink Bot Berlin 
July 14th, 2007 9:57pm
I thought Sheehan gave up.
Permalink Aaron 
July 14th, 2007 9:57pm
bot that's because you're an idiot.  He's one of those exurb living republicans that consider themselves independents that were targeted by rove in 2000.  He bought it hook line and sinker.  A change from the peace & prosperity of the clinton years.  Global warming is a lie.  Gore is a wacko.  We need a president I'd like to have a beer with , who cares if he's a coward who doesn't read.  I'm a coward who doesn't read.

It's not a lie just because you haven't been following and don't know the record.  Did you know he's not black either?
Permalink rocco 
July 14th, 2007 10:01pm
and he watches a LOT of TV.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
July 14th, 2007 10:02pm
He's an Esquimeaux.
Permalink Aaron 
July 14th, 2007 10:02pm
>To answer his question.  If we do leave right now.  Civil
>war could potentially wage between the three factions
>over there.

POTENTIALLY wage? WTF do you think they're having over there, a tea party?

>I dont think Al-Qaeda has the power to rule over the >entire country

Al-Qaeda doesn't really have much of a presence there. Most of the insurgency is home grown. Civil war would continue, but without US troops in the mix, it would probably stabilize a bit. Iraqis know this.

>and the Iraqi police have a chance for ending unrest over
>time.

While they are still seen as dependent upon the US this is unlikely. I doubt Iraq has the capability to reunite into a functioning state, let alone a democracy.

>It won't be pretty but at this point, the American
>military should occupy the nation.

Why? If the Iraqi people are saying they want them out, they are probably saying this because they'd PERSONALLY be safer.

>Will Al-Qaeda reach the US if we leave now.  Probably not.

Total red herring. Al Qaeda doesn't even figure in to the mix any more. Its aim was to provoke the US into a long drawn out war in Iraq and hemorrhage the US economy. Mission accomplished in 2003.
Permalink Send private email Colm 
July 14th, 2007 10:05pm
>Hold on here.  Complete slander on Philo.  I dont know if
>he is republican, democrat or neither but he has been
>against the Bush administration in various posts.

Yes, but he has admitted to being fooled by them. He did, after all, vote for them in 2000.
Permalink Send private email Colm 
July 14th, 2007 10:06pm
He also single handedly brought about more abuses to the CoT/off message forum than Dan Denman. Yale Chick, "I'm Black," The Apprentice recap and analysis, "consider Sharepoint" every other post, etc.
Permalink hello. 
July 14th, 2007 10:36pm
+1 hello.  The guy sucks.
Permalink rocco 
July 14th, 2007 11:33pm
Colm:

"It won't be pretty but at this point, the American military should occupy the nation."

Should not.

Typo there.  We should NOT occupy Iraq.
Permalink Bot Berlin 
July 15th, 2007 3:18am

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