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Red State vs. Blue State

What if the country balkanized along those lines?
You'd need a visa to enter Pennsylvania from Ohio.  Possibly two types of money.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_state_vs._blue_state_divide
Permalink xampl 
July 17th, 2007 1:07pm
How about county to county?

It's different.
Permalink Rick Zeng 
July 17th, 2007 1:10pm
Bot gets his shotgun and cocks it.

So it is clear based on the map in 2004 which one needs to leave.
Permalink Bot Berlin 
July 17th, 2007 1:24pm
That is ironic.  Am I the only redstater on here.  I think someone on here was from North Carolina?
Permalink Bot Berlin 
July 17th, 2007 1:25pm
I am.
The state may be red, but I'm not.

(I'm not blue, either)
Permalink xampl 
July 17th, 2007 1:27pm
We had a civil war 170 years ago divided along slavery/states-rights lines. 

What if the current politcal partisanship got out of control, and the country fragmented?
Permalink xampl 
July 17th, 2007 1:28pm
The whole red state/blue state thing is absurd -- often the difference is a percentage or two.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/2004_US_elections_purple_counties.png

Much of America is purple, indicating a split. There isn't the grand split that people imagine.
Permalink DF 
July 17th, 2007 1:32pm
Indeed. Blame the media.
Permalink Full name 
July 17th, 2007 1:35pm
That makes sense.  And I will argue there are a large majority that follow a liberal ideology that don't get out and vote.

I think we should drop this red/blue, republican/democrat and follow a Buddhist philosophy and not really have a government.  But people are too stupid for that, maybe over the course of a couple hundred years or so.  People need somebody to tell them what to do and then they argue because they don't like what is said.
Permalink Bot Berlin 
July 17th, 2007 1:37pm
> There isn't the grand split that people imagine.

What matters is the electoral votes. And there the split matters a lot.
Permalink son of parnas 
July 17th, 2007 1:37pm
"But people are too stupid for that, maybe over the course of a couple hundred years or so."

Hehe, Karl Marx predicted this long time ago :)
Permalink Rick Zeng 
July 17th, 2007 1:40pm
There is game theory to this. It's a natural stable equilibrium of the way our government is setup.

Because 51% means you can do whatever the fuck you want. So our political parties will always be nearly evenly matched, since they iteratively adjust their platform the minimum amount necessary to capture a slight majority.

The real Republicans, the one with the money and power, could really give a shit less about the Christians. If gay people were as big as Christians, the Republican's could easily be the party of money and gays.
Permalink anoneemouse 
July 17th, 2007 1:59pm
"If gay people were as big as Christians, the Republican's could easily be the party of money and gays."

So what is the motivation of Democrats?  They don't want to control that power group either?
Permalink Bot Berlin 
July 17th, 2007 2:03pm
I believe the Democrats grudgingly added LGBT's to their mix to drive voter turn out for progressives who get excited about civil rights issues. Civil rights is part of their platform, but it was a whole lot more accessible to moderates when civil rights was about standing up for Black people. But the Republicans were on the losing side of that so they toned down their racism slightly to get closer to 51%.

Sorry, I had to delete my second paragraph, out of caution if I even break anonymity.
Permalink anoneemouse 
July 17th, 2007 2:26pm
It's more of a big city tends to be blue, rural area tends to be red divide, rather than by state.  That's probably true in every country.
Permalink AMerrickanGirl 
July 17th, 2007 2:44pm
I really wish that the gays had waited to push their cause until after Bush was out of office.  We just handed the righties a perfect weapon to use to scare the fundamentalists.  With that plus abortion, the Dems are always fighting an uphill battle.
Permalink AMerrickanGirl 
July 17th, 2007 2:46pm
Abortion is tricky - every poll I see indicates a supermajority of USAians are pro-choice. So it's seriously a vocal minority banging the "abortion is murder" drum.

Unfortunately it's a very well-organized, vocal, and visible minority. :(
Permalink Send private email Philo 
July 17th, 2007 3:18pm
How ya gonna have a "horse-race", if you can't point out when a RED state has gone PURPLE, or a BLUE state is leaning RED, or...

Yeah, artificial excitement.  2004 was a fluke, where parts of the country went solidly red or blue.  2006 was much more representative.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 17th, 2007 3:26pm
Yes, when given the choice of either abortions are always legal or always illegal people will choose "pro-choice".
Permalink Rick Zeng 
July 17th, 2007 3:27pm
Funny - well, to me, at least - how often those who identify as "pro-life" also support the death penalty.
Permalink Full name 
July 17th, 2007 3:31pm
"We'll let you into this world, but only because we can take you out"
Permalink Send private email Philo 
July 17th, 2007 3:33pm
Yeah, because it's not about the "sanctity of life".  It's about forcing irresponsible people to have to live with the consequences of their irresponsibility.

Oh, POOR irresponsible people should be forced that way.  Because anybody with any money at all can afford to send their daughter to Switzerland where abortion is legal.  Because RICH people who can afford to buy their way out of their irresponsibility aren't really being irresponsible.

Capital Punishment laws make perfect sense in that frame of reference -- more accountability.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 17th, 2007 3:39pm
No, when they have a chance they will even punish those who seek abortion oversea.

It won't stop them if you commit "drug crimes" overseas.
Permalink Rick Zeng 
July 17th, 2007 3:46pm
> Capital Punishment laws make perfect sense in that frame of reference -- more accountability.

This is a laugh. Republicans don't want accountability at all. They want to enforce their will. Has the president been accountable for any of his crimes? Is creating a debt that will last for your childrens childrens children being accountable? No. It's giving yourself exactly what you want when you want it. I want money, lower taxes and spend. I want other people to behave how I want, so make a law.

People are accountable when you let them decide and live with their decisions. It's called freedom. Accountability isn't a republican judging and punishing while hiding behind childish justifications.

There has been no more irresponsible and unaccountable group of people in this nation's history.
Permalink son of parnas 
July 17th, 2007 3:58pm
Too bad the Republicans under Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves.

"The Republicans denounced the northern anti-war Democrats as disloyal Copperheads and won enough War Democrats to maintain their majority in 1862, and reelect Lincoln by a landslide in 1864. During Reconstruction, 1865-1877, how to deal with the ex-Confederates and the freed slaves or Freedmen were the major issues. "
Permalink Bot Berlin 
July 17th, 2007 4:02pm
Ah, if only we had the 1800 Northern Republicans, all this would be so much easier.

Instead, the Dixiecrats all went Republican around 1964, and ever since the Republicans have been the party of anti-Civil Rights, Separate But Equal, Jim Crow, Anti-Affirmative Action.

It was Kennedy and Johnson who did the Civil Rights thing, not the Republicans.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 17th, 2007 4:32pm
Bot, that happened two centuries ago.
Permalink Rick Zeng 
July 17th, 2007 4:32pm
The parties have more or less traded names since then in a sort of Orwellian twist of Eastasian/Eurasian nomenclature.
Permalink Send private email JoC 
July 17th, 2007 4:35pm
Most sports switch sides midway. No news there.
Permalink Send private email strawdog sobriquet 
July 17th, 2007 4:49pm
Are you suggesting that we are peaking?
Permalink Send private email JoC 
July 17th, 2007 5:07pm
Or I guess, already did... makes sense.
Permalink Send private email JoC 
July 17th, 2007 5:07pm

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