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Michael Vick...is screwed

Huh.  Dogfighting is worse than weed and drunken driving?  Who knew?  I mean, it's not like he used a racial or homosexual slur -- those would probably get him shut down immediately.

On the other hand, there is animal cruelty and betting involved.  Maybe they are worse.

I think as a "first time offender", he'll probably be allowed to apologize.  But it's hard to tell at this point.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 18th, 2007 4:20pm
The details are pretty rough.  I still can't confirm if he bought the house.  If he did and they find the house is basically used to breed fighting dogs then he is guilty and should go to hell.  Not only did they have dog fighting going on, but they killed/rape weaker dogs.

Sorry man, no pity for you.
Permalink Bot Berlin 
July 18th, 2007 4:22pm
Dogfighting is definitely worse than weed.  And drunken driving has the potential to hurt, but in most cases the driver is lucky and nothing bad happens.

But dogfighting usually hurts the dogs.  And killing the weak ones in a painful way is a pretty nasty crime.
Permalink AMerrickanGirl 
July 18th, 2007 4:25pm
Plus there was illegal betting involved.  He may be found guilty and probably get a little prison time.
Permalink Bot Berlin 
July 18th, 2007 4:29pm
Vick is:

1. Still riding his brother's coattails.
2. Still thinking it'll be alright, because Coach will take care of it.
3. An immature hick.
Permalink xampl 
July 18th, 2007 4:38pm
Also, if I recall correctly, contract money in the NFL is not guaranteed.  So if (when!) Atlanta lets him go, the money stops flowing in too.

Hope he was smart enough to put some aside.
Oh wait, this is Michael Vick we're talking about.  Probably not.
Permalink xampl 
July 18th, 2007 4:40pm
I have no respect for the Vick family... those two brothers have talent, worked hard to get on the verge of success... then totally blew it in asshat ways.

Mike Vick knowingly gave some chick herpes and got sued, then this whole dog fighting business.

His younger brother Marcus followed Mike's footsteps thru Virginia Tech (where he had godlike status from the start obviously) and got sidelined his first year after having 14 year old girls in his car with alcohol his freshman year. Then the infamous flagrant stomp on his opponent's leg while he was down that got him kicked out of Va Tech. Then the next week Marcus pulled a gun on some dude who taunted him.

boo urns, Vick family.
Permalink Send private email arg! 
July 18th, 2007 4:44pm
Why are the Vick family important?
Permalink LeftWingPharisee 
July 18th, 2007 4:51pm
Clearly, you haven't read the link yet...  Football, dude, football.  American football, at that.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 18th, 2007 4:52pm
Fuck all this. Legalize dog fighting and cockfighting and whatever the hell else. It's far more humane than the way animals are treated in factor farms. Drop the fucking hypocrisy people. You have no problem with animals being tortured when it benefits you and then you get all high and mighty when some black dude raises fighting dogs.
Permalink Practical Economtst 
July 18th, 2007 5:27pm
The gap between animal fighting and mass production is a little larger than you paint it.

While chicks riding a conveyor belt in mass looks odd, and sawing their beaks sounds cruel, neither are things that just cause pain.

Those cock/dog fighting places breed pure cruelty. They are mean as shit to the animals to make the animals mean. The animals' ultimate purpose is to inflict harm on other animals. That's a bit different than filling my belly with chicken nuggets.
Permalink Send private email JoC 
July 18th, 2007 5:42pm
Ignorant hypocrite.
Permalink Practical Economist 
July 18th, 2007 5:47pm
No, I think JoC has it right.  I agree it's a little odd to think that killing an animal for food can be done "humanely".  Yet that's what we try to do as much as possible.

Whereas a cock-fight or dog-fight really does involve an extended period of pain and bloodshed, where viciousness is encouraged and bred into the 'game' animals as much as possible.  I think it tends to de-humanize the people who are breeding and training the animals for this purpose, too.

Bottom line is that in America we have decided to draw the line on "humane treatment of animals" to conclude that a quick shot to the head before butchering an animal is "humane", while allowing two dogs to tear at each other until one of them dies is not.  Bull-fighting is not legal, either, for that matter.

Your opinion can differ, of course.  I must say, I find somebody advocating (even sarcastically) brutal behavior in an attempt to defend humane treatment of animals is also pretty hypocritical and self-defeating.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 18th, 2007 5:55pm
Please watch the following videos of 'legal and standard' procedures in poultry farming:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9F04dcB4DA

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=chickens_and_turkeys

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=mym_chickens_egg
(contains similar material to the first but has variations)

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=viva_foster_farms

If you still believe this is better and more humane than fighting cocks, I can keep posting more videos for you. Lots more. Just let me know.
Permalink Practical Economist 
July 18th, 2007 5:55pm
"a quick shot to the head before butchering an animal is "humane""

Hubble, if this is all you think that happens to the animals, you are extremely ignorant and thoroughly unqualified to be voicing your opinion on this matter.
Permalink Practical Economist 
July 18th, 2007 5:57pm
Hubble, watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6IY8pE6nVA

Tell me again how this torture and abuse, which you financially support and morally defend, is better than dog and cock fights.
Permalink Practical Economist 
July 18th, 2007 5:59pm
Yeah, I'm thinking you've never seen fighting cocks?
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 18th, 2007 6:00pm
"Clearly, you haven't read the link yet...  Football, dude, football.  American football, at that."

I did. My question stands. Why the fuck is anybody concerned with the personal lives of grown men who play boys games?
Permalink LeftWingPharisee 
July 18th, 2007 6:07pm
PE - you actually believe PETA to be a unbiased organization?
Permalink Cheers 
July 18th, 2007 6:08pm
People Eating Tasty Animals.  How can you argue with an organization like that?
Permalink Carnivore 
July 18th, 2007 6:08pm
I've seen plenty of fighting cocks. It's what they do. It's in their nature. If you have two cocks in the same area, you will soon have one cock present and one run away, or one present and one dead, because that's how cocks are.

Those of you who buy coats with fur lining at WalMart and target who are upset about fighting dogs should watch these videos of where that Chinese fur for the cheap coats you bought comes from:

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=china_30&Player=wm

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=jcruel_china_dog_UK&Player=wm
Permalink Practical Economist 
July 18th, 2007 6:12pm
I haven't eaten chicken in over a week now. How long can I last.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
July 18th, 2007 6:13pm
LeftWingPharisee-

I went to college with Vick the Elder, and Vick the younger supposedly "tarnished" the reputation of the school a few years after I graduated.

I don't really care about atheletes or their families in general, but having followed my college football program a bit, I just really wonder wtf happened to make those two extremely talented brothers such extraordinary f-ups.
Permalink Send private email arg! 
July 18th, 2007 6:13pm
Most of that content is about a single source of production. (Foster Farms? I think)

There is no reason to feed/water an animal going to slaughter. (one of the talking points in there...)

Who would have thought that out of 100,000 animals some are a bit deformed? But here it is attributed to maltreatment.

They talk about how chicken are gathered as if it is cruel. I see guys grabbing them up by their feet and tossing them in cages. OOOOO that's like putting razor blades on their talons and having them 'process' themselves!

I don't care if they are screwing live chickens to death by way of their eye sockets. That can't possibly be more cruel than what goes on in dog/cock fighting. You just don't know dog/cock fighting if you think so. They aren't even in the same book, much less on the same page, or even in the same chapter.
Permalink Send private email JoC 
July 18th, 2007 6:18pm
"Those of you who buy coats with fur lining at WalMart and target who are upset about fighting dogs should watch these videos of where that Chinese fur for the cheap coats you bought comes from"

Killing a dog for its fur is different than making it fight or be killed by another dog for sport.
Permalink Send private email JoC 
July 18th, 2007 6:20pm
Is a humane hypocrite better than a sincere sadist?
Permalink Send private email pavel ignorovich 
July 18th, 2007 6:24pm
JoC, are you a troll or are you really this stupid and ignorant? In the other thread you are going on about  how the moon missions were fabricated. No doubt you also think the CIA blew up the WTC.
Permalink Practical Economist 
July 18th, 2007 6:26pm
"Killing a dog for its fur is different than making it fight or be killed by another dog for sport."

Any one who thinks that JoC is not a sadistic and dangerous lunatic should just watch the videos that he is justifying.
Permalink Practical Economist 
July 18th, 2007 6:27pm
"In the other thread you are going on about  how the moon missions were fabricated. No doubt you also think the CIA blew up the WTC"

Maybe you should read again. Idiot.

No wonder it was so easy for a bunch of tree-huggin hippies to brainwash you into buying PETA's bullshit. You have no capacity for rationalization.
Permalink Send private email JoC 
July 18th, 2007 6:32pm
"You have no capacity for rationalization."

Has your English ability weakened or am I again being too stupid to understand your point?
Permalink Rick Zeng 
July 18th, 2007 6:38pm
Look, you can watch live cock fights here:

http://www.livecockfights.com/

Watch some of that, and the girls in bikinis as well.

Then, watch the videos of how chickens are treated in factory farms.

Then come back and tell me again about how the factory farms are worse than cockfighting.

Cockfighting is the animal's nature. It's what they do. Who cares if people get together and watch and take bets on what nature has intended.

Factory farms on the other hand are NOT part of the chicken's nature.
Permalink Practical Economist 
July 18th, 2007 7:03pm
bikinis are not part of a hot chick's nature?
Permalink Send private email pavel ignorovich 
July 18th, 2007 7:15pm
They are.
Permalink Practical Economist 
July 18th, 2007 7:36pm
phew. all this Kantian antics is tough work. best get back to the basics: T&A-ics.
Permalink Send private email pavel ignorovich 
July 18th, 2007 7:47pm
"Cockfighting is the animal's nature. It's what they do."

Yeah, just the other day I saw this rooster strapping freddy krueger razor gloves on its talons.

If you have some sort of a poultry problem, then don't eat it. Outside that, get over yourself. There isn't just a whole lot that could be done differently and still put cheap meat on your table.

I'm superior to a damn chicken, and a cow, and all the other animals you'll find going to slaughter. They are food, nothing more.

Killing for food and arranging gladiatoral combat is not the same no matter how much your brainwashed, pussified PETA ass wants to insist otherwise.

Rick, his capacity for rationalization is nil because he is equating two things that have absolutely nothing in common. Plus his total lack of comprehension left him thinking I had decried moon landing as fake.
Permalink Send private email JoC 
July 19th, 2007 10:53am
And by the way, just because you find a video on the internet of some abusive/moronic behavior does not mean that it is indicative of reality across the board. Moron.
Permalink Send private email JoC 
July 19th, 2007 10:56am
"There isn't just a whole lot that could be done differently and still put cheap meat on your table."

And that is why chicken are NOT raised this way in every other country outside asia because... ?

"not indicative"

Incorrect. The videos show standard practices in the industry, a point which has been brought up by individual plants whenever complaints are made.
Permalink Practical Economist 
July 19th, 2007 2:19pm
Just because it's "standard practice" doesn't make it right.
Permalink AMerrickanGirl 
July 19th, 2007 2:29pm
"And that is why chicken are NOT raised this way in every other country outside asia because... ?"

You're all over the place, aren't you? Everything you poasted wasn't from Asia.

When it became obvious you're a blathering PETA propagandist, I stopped looking at all the drivel.

"The videos show standard practices in the industry"

...so someone trying to defend their company says. I bet you believe it when every company says something to that effect, right?

What specific practices are you finding so inhumane that you think it even remotely approaches dog/cock fighting?

As I mentioned before, one of the videos seems to suggest that picking a bird up by its feet and flinging it into a cage is something worthy of outrage. That's utter bullshit. WTF? Do they want them to pick every bird up and cuddle with it and then gently tuck it into its deathbed? Lunacy.
Permalink Send private email JoC 
July 19th, 2007 3:04pm
Don't feed the troll (PE)
Permalink Cheers 
July 19th, 2007 3:21pm
Well, there ARE many vegetarian/animal lovers out there.
Permalink Rick Zeng 
July 19th, 2007 3:26pm
I don't so much have a problem with those people, Rick. It is when they try to impose their ideology on others that they draw my ire.

I love dogs. But I don't fault anyone that eats them.
Permalink Send private email JoC 
July 19th, 2007 3:35pm
Ideologogy? Gosh.

The only difference btw you and KKK is that your targets are animals and their targest are men of other races ...
Permalink Rick Zeng 
July 19th, 2007 3:39pm
Uhm... yeah, and I feel absolutely horrible because that's oh such a miniscule divide there... puhhhleeeeez.

If you want to advocate due process for poultry, have at it. I'll be on the other side laughing at you.
Permalink Send private email JoC 
July 19th, 2007 4:09pm
That is, if you can even convince your chicken to come to court. You can't force it though... that would be cruel.
Permalink Send private email JoC 
July 19th, 2007 4:11pm
Today you go after chicken, tomorrow you'll go after babies...
Permalink Rick Zeng 
July 19th, 2007 4:18pm
Well it would be cheaper. Babies don't have feathers to pluck. I don't think they achieve meaningful meat mass nearly as fast though. Even if we pumped em full of steroids. Then there's that pesky issue of surrogate compensation.
Permalink Send private email JoC 
July 19th, 2007 4:31pm
"Just because it's "standard practice" doesn't make it right."

That was my point. The chicken industry practices are utterly horrifying and disgusting to me. I can't watch those films without being sick to my stomach.

And nearly everyone who criticizes cock and dog fights eats factory farmed food. Hypocrisy.
Permalink Practical Economist 
July 20th, 2007 1:57am

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