Nobody likes to be called a dummy by a dummy.

"Control the oil and you control entire nations;..."

"...control the food and you control the people."


http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6407

capitalist societies work best with scarcity, an age of solar power and cheap grain would be an age without scarcities that matter.

Ethanol as fuel makes no sense however you cut the logic, there is no good reason for it from a user or environmental POV.  there are trivial reasons from the POV of car manufacturers....no major retooling required...but nothing clinching.

federal money should be invested in solar power. it is endless in supply.
Permalink worldsSmallestViolin 
July 26th, 2007 5:31am
> "it is endless in supply"

Endless but limited still. There is only so much solar energy coming our way at any point in time. It would be interesting to see what amount we could theoretically capture and what part of the global energy need that would cover.
Permalink Send private email Locutus of Borg 
July 26th, 2007 5:35am
"There is only so much solar energy coming our way at any point in time. "

its been calculated.  go google hunting.  there is enough to cover our current needs thousands of times over on a day to day basis.
Permalink worldsSmallestViolin 
July 26th, 2007 5:36am
Well, that's good new then
Permalink Send private email Locutus of Borg 
July 26th, 2007 5:41am
*ROUGHLY* a kilowatt per square metre while the sun shines:

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1998/ManicaPiputbundit.shtml
Permalink trollop 
July 26th, 2007 6:50am
put the collectors out in orbit and beam the power down as a tighly focussed microwave beam...

...just don't walk into the beam
Permalink Billx 
July 26th, 2007 8:16am
Hey, why not start demolishing jupiter and get to work on that Dyson sphere.
Permalink Send private email Locutus of Borg 
July 26th, 2007 8:48am
we have a lot of deserts, tundra that could be covered by solar panels, not to mention covering large areas of the ocean.  no need to do this in outer space.
Permalink Kenny 
July 26th, 2007 9:04am
>>> Hey, why not start demolishing jupiter

D'oh!  Why didn't I think of this?  I've got this great transmutation device, but I couldn't think of anything to do with it.
Permalink Send private email Ward 
July 26th, 2007 9:43am
Yeah, you think burning coal results in Global Warming?  What would be the result of beaming micro-waves through the atmosphere?

There IS no "lossless" RF transmission of power.  And the "losses" go right into the atmosphere.

Otherwise, humongous solar-cell power satellites make a really good idea.  I think the Global Warming argument is a show-stopper, though.
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 26th, 2007 9:47am
> there is enough to cover our current needs thousands of times over on a day to day basis.

what will happen is there will be a 1000x as many humans.
Permalink strawdog soubriquet 
July 26th, 2007 10:02am
The problem is that solar powered electricity needs storing. Sure in the day it can produce our energy needs, but have you thought of the problems involved in the number of batteries needed to store it for the night.
Permalink Send private email Stephen Jones 
July 26th, 2007 10:58am
Just imagine 6 trillion people on the planet.
Permalink Aaron 
July 26th, 2007 11:08am
It would be Zanzibar all over, apart from the reserves required to grow corn to make ethanol. Everyone would be so merry.
Permalink trollop 
July 26th, 2007 11:15am
"but have you thought of the problems involved in the number of batteries needed to store it for the night."

well, yes.  I have.  and its a tough one.

OTOH, lets say worst case we end up with endless free energy during the day and none at all after sundown.

anyone wanna turn that down?  hmm?  anyone _not_ willing to sacrifice their TV time in exchange for free power?  anyone just too stubborn to move their dinner time back an hour or two or to precook it?

cause I, for one, would blow an elephant if he promised to pay all my power bills for the rest of my life.  and if he was also going to sort out that global warming issue....
Permalink worldsSmallestViolin 
July 26th, 2007 3:56pm
This sounds like a job for separating hydrogen and oxygen through electrolysis, and re-combining them again in an efficient power-cell!

NASA technology, to the rescue!
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 26th, 2007 4:22pm
Email me, wsv.
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July 26th, 2007 4:31pm

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