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The (kosher) Elephant in the Room

In Ontario there has been a bit of a brouhaha about a shitload of taxpayer money being handed to cultural organization out with little or no oversight.

http://inhome.rediff.com/cricket/2007/jul/29jain.htm

Long stories were written up in various newspapers talking about cricket patches and unexpected grants. Much was made about the organization that asked for $150,000, and the next day the minister showed up with a million dollar cheques (cricket is real "multicultural"-like, right?

Makes me feel really good when I pay my taxes.

The Toronto Star happened to print a little table of who got the grants (these are "here's some money...have fun..." grants. No expectations, payback, etc), and the first oddity is that they chose to print it in alphabetical order -- every natural inclination would be that it'd be sorted in the amount descending.

Scanning over the list, one number stands head and shoulders above every other one, 15x greater than the next largest -- $15 MILLION DOLLARS (remember -- a no constraint grant) to the "United Jewish Appeal Federation". Holy flying fuck!

Naturally as a taxpayer I was immensely curious what this was about, yet not a word mentioned it in the article. I went look online, and while everyone was asking questions about all of the ethnic grants, nobody mentioned the $15 million.

I've since learned that it was money to help the local Jewish community in the GTA build a monstrous $300 million dollar "community" (if you're Jewish) center.

Again - HOLY FLYING FUCK!

Is this one of those cases where everyone is just too afraid of appearing anti-semitic, not daring to ask questions? Unbelievable.
Permalink DF 
July 30th, 2007 12:29pm
Fake
Permalink son of parnas 
July 30th, 2007 12:30pm
Oh, you're so funny SoP: I can definitely see how a very widely reporting government scandal is comparable to some guy posting a photoshopped picture, desperately crying "Digg this!".
Permalink DF 
July 30th, 2007 12:34pm
So what percentage of the GTA population is Jewish?

It's pretty obvious that Jewish organizations are very good at what they do - soliciting both financial and political support for their cause. It seems that your primary surprise isn't that a lot of money got handed out, although that too, but that the Jews got more of it than anyone else.

How is that a surprise?
Permalink Send private email Flasher T 
July 30th, 2007 12:57pm
>It seems that your primary surprise isn't that a lot of money got handed out, although that too, but that the Jews got more of it than anyone else.

I've become so inured to government waste, that these numbers really only stand only from a relative perspective. Hearing all of the discontent about groups that got only a small fraction of what this group got, but then contrasting that with the lack of commentary about this group, does naturally make me wonder what is up.

And honestly, I don't care if 99% of the GTA was Jewish -- I fundamentally disagree with the government giving money to groups that self-segregate for racial or religious reasons.
Permalink DF 
July 30th, 2007 1:01pm
heh... don't shout too loudly about the injustice, Flasher ;-)
Permalink Send private email Colm 
July 30th, 2007 1:03pm
"And honestly, I don't care if 99% of the GTA was Jewish -- I fundamentally disagree with the government giving money to groups that self-segregate for racial or religious reasons."

But aid to specific targeted charities always goes to a self-segregated group. Be it for racial or religious reasons, ones of sexual preference, education level, residence, whatever. Any organization made up of members that share a particular trait will, once given a big bag of cash, fiercely protect said bag from those who do not possess said trait.
Permalink Send private email Flasher T 
July 30th, 2007 1:05pm
"heh... don't shout too loudly about the injustice, Flasher ;-)"

Hey, I never hid that I was Jewish (for most intents and purposes), and that I support Israel. Jewish mutual assistance in diaspora hosting countries is actually far more in tune with what I've been trying to explain, that a Jewish identity does not necessarily have anything to do with religion or living in a particular oil-devoid piece of desert where a bunch of religious leaders liked to hang out.

Fact is, Jews have always been singled out and often enough abused, under various pretense, but mostly for the exact reasons that make them so powerful as a community and as a lobby. They/we are very good at getting the goim's money, and if other charities aren't so good, tough shit. Ask us nicely and we might give you lessons. Not free lessons, obviously.
Permalink Send private email Flasher T 
July 30th, 2007 1:10pm
>But aid to specific targeted charities always goes to a
>self-segregated group.

Like the poor or disabled, for instance. Or as you may like to call them "those who chose to be poor" and "those who chose the wrong genes".
Permalink Send private email Colm 
July 30th, 2007 1:11pm
>Hey, I never hid that I was Jewish (for most intents and
>purposes), and that I support Israel.

So what?

>They/we are very good at getting the goim's money, and if
>other charities aren't so good, tough shit.

Your message to all the poor and disabled and more deserving out there: "tough shit"?

At least we know where you stand.

>Ask us nicely and we might give you lessons. Not free
>lessons, obviously.

No, it's okay. I probably earn more than you do already.
Permalink Send private email Colm 
July 30th, 2007 1:14pm
>Fact is, Jews have always been singled out

The Jewish have been through a lot of injustice, but sometimes groups that claim to be "singled out" actually chose to single themselves out. If a group becomes highly insular and derisive of outsiders, the history of the world has shown that it always leads to others returning the favour.
Permalink DF 
July 30th, 2007 1:15pm
To be fair, it's usually not actually the poor nor disabled that are running the charities. Look around for an anti-poverty project run by someone with at least some background in the plight of the victims - the most wildly successful of these is the Grameen Bank, which is somewhere in the distance between "everyone deserves a decent life" and "farmer, harvest thyself". I admire it and similar schemes, but then it has been pointed out to me just recently that it's probably because I come from a country with a massively booming economy where if you can't get a job, you really are not trying.
Permalink Send private email Flasher T 
July 30th, 2007 1:15pm
>To be fair, it's usually not actually the poor nor disabled
>that are running the charities.

To be fair: that's because they're supposed to be the RECIPIENT of aid, which is an entirely different thing to being the *administrator* of it.
Permalink Send private email Colm 
July 30th, 2007 1:18pm
"Your message to all the poor and disabled and more deserving out there: "tough shit"?"

My message to them is, if you see somebody else doing what you do better than you are doing it, don't complain about the injustice, but look at why they're better at it and try to do the same. It's disingenuous to presume that a fundamental rule of achievement somehow doesn't apply to non-profit organizations.

"No, it's okay. I probably earn more than you do already."

You probably do, but there's probably a kid out there my age with a big nose and a circumcision who earns more than you. How any of it is relevant, I do not see.

"If a group becomes highly insular and derisive of outsiders, the history of the world has shown that it always leads to others returning the favour."

That's true enough, however Jews in Europe have been persecuted for fairly obvious and objective reasons (Jews were allowed to lend money institutionally and Christians weren't, but Jews were not allowed to do most other things, so Jews got very rich at the Christians' expense). In regions without this obvious difference, like the Arab empires, Jews were usually productive and contributing members of society. In addition, Judaism is in some significant ways far less secular than other major religions - for example it's the only one that says you can go to heaven even if you're not a Jew, you just have to not be an asshole. So your point is perfectly valid, it's just not entirely applicable to Jews.
Permalink Send private email Flasher T 
July 30th, 2007 1:23pm
"To be fair: that's because they're supposed to be the RECIPIENT of aid, which is an entirely different thing to being the *administrator* of it."

Which is why my "tough shit" was directed at the administrators, who can't do their job as well as Jewish administrators.
Permalink Send private email Flasher T 
July 30th, 2007 1:24pm
>Which is why my "tough shit" was directed at the
>administrators, who can't do their job as well as Jewish
>administrators.

Your "tough shit, suck it up" *must* have been directed at the poor, the homeless, disabled and other deserving non-recipients of aid.

They are the ones that are suffering, not the charity administrators, Jewish or otherwise.
Permalink Send private email Colm 
July 30th, 2007 1:29pm
>My message to them is, if you see somebody else doing what
>you do better than you are doing it, don't complain about
>the injustice, but look at why they're better at it and try
>to do the same. It's disingenuous to presume that a
>fundamental rule of achievement somehow doesn't apply to
>non-profit organizations.

This isn't a market. They're not the ones complaining about the injustice in this case, WE ARE. YOU are the one being disingenous, by pretending that lobbying for government aid is the same thing as a market for shoes.

I can't fucking believe how callous you are.
Permalink Send private email Colm 
July 30th, 2007 1:32pm
"Your "tough shit, suck it up" *must* have been directed at the poor, the homeless, disabled and other deserving non-recipients of aid.

They are the ones that are suffering"

So it's not what I actually said, it's what you heard that matters? :P

"YOU are the one being disingenous, by pretending that lobbying for government aid is the same thing as a market for shoes."

Lobbying for government aid is still an economic transaction inasmuch as economics is the science of fulfilling unlimited requirements with limited resources. Charity administrators exist because the aid holders cannot possibly have competence in each specific type of aid, so the administrators are there to plead their case. If Jewish administrators are better at pleading the case, then the other charities should either learn from, or hire, Jews. This is not only valid, but it is *exactly the reason* that there are administrators - people who are better at the job of securing money than the ones who need the money.
Permalink Send private email Flasher T 
July 30th, 2007 1:46pm
>So it's not what I actually said, it's what you heard that
>matters?

No, what you said was perfectly clear: the Jewish lobbyists deserve the money more because they can convince the government to give it to them, irrespective of how much anybody else might need it.

Hence, your "tough shit" was CLEARLY directed at the poor, the disabled and other more deserving recipients of aid.
Permalink Send private email Colm 
July 30th, 2007 2:02pm
>Lobbying for government aid is still an economic transaction

Utterly irrelevant. You are confusing "economic transaction" with "market".

Basically you're being an idiot *and* an callous asshole.
Permalink Send private email Colm 
July 30th, 2007 2:04pm
Why the fuck is the government giving money to these institutions anyways?

I really don't like Jewish organizations taking money from any government, except Israel's.
Permalink LeftWingPharisee 
July 30th, 2007 9:04pm
DF

When you elected a douchag from the conservative party, you should have thought about this.

Prime minister harper is this close to jerk off Olmert and slurp up his kosher man juices.

Also, do you really expect Jewish organization to build something before guilting every singe species on the planet about the Holocaust and shit?

Holocaust industry read the book.
Permalink Dan Denman 
July 31st, 2007 12:55am
So Flasher T is defending blood-sucking jews taking money that should go to more deserving causes.

Great chutzpah! Way to go man!
Permalink Send private email Stephen Jones 
July 31st, 2007 3:44am

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