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Do you honestly think people care?

Reading the discussion about the Intel advert reminded me of something I read recently.

Listening to some people, one might think that white people are engaged in an ongoing secret conspiracy to undermine the welfare of black people. Evidence for those people is the large numbers of black men in prison, low black academic achievement and poverty. For some, racism is the root cause of the high black illegitimacy rate and family breakdown.

Are white people obsessed with and engaged in a conspiracy against black people? I'm guessing no, and here's an experiment. Walk up to the average white person and ask: How many minutes today have you been thinking about a black person?

If the person wasn't a Klansman or a gushing do-gooder, his answer would probably be zero minutes. If you asked him whether he's a part of a conspiracy to undermine the welfare of black people, he'd probably look at you as if you were crazy.

http://www.theatlasphere.com/columns/070711-williams-dopeoplecare.php

I agree. For the most part people don't actually give a damn. To see conspiracy shadows in everything is ultimately exhausting and self defeating.
Permalink Send private email Tapiwa 
July 30th, 2007 3:11pm
I realise that this will come as a shock to you tapiwa, but if you take an army of organisms and have them each act independently and in their own self interest the resulting swarm behavior can appear very similar to that created by an intelligently directed group of organisms.

ie, it is no surprise that the sum total of our actions may look like a conspiracy when viewed from an appropriate point.
Permalink pondBacterium 
July 30th, 2007 3:16pm
If there is enough discussion, outrage can grow.  Why would you put your Fortune 500 company at risk when the stock market is such a fickle beast?

I think most of you are missing the point because you want to "Stomp the minorities out of their stupor" but I'm not hearing you. It just isn't my issue.

I DO have an issue with idiots running companies and getting paid outrageous amounts relative to the minions, however.

Clearly, the idiots are running things at Intel.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
July 30th, 2007 3:19pm
> may look like a conspiracy when viewed from an appropriate point

In which case we should debunk this notion that it is a conspiracy. Us vs Them and all that.

It is the same attitude the govt here is taking to the threat of 'terrorism'.
Permalink Send private email Tapiwa 
July 30th, 2007 3:20pm
Sharky, if you call the original a stupid advert, I could not agree more.

But then again, there are countless occasions when I have WTF moments, particularly with TV ads.

Where I disagree, is that it is racist, or is making some racial statement about master and slave.
Permalink Send private email Tapiwa 
July 30th, 2007 3:23pm
> I DO have an issue with idiots running companies and getting paid outrageous amounts relative to the minions, however.

Actually, I bet the people who put that ad out didn't get paid much at all.
Permalink Michael B 
July 30th, 2007 3:23pm
Mere stupidity does not a controversy make.

In this case, you have possible:  racist charges, stupidity, AND the fact that it is a SERIES.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
July 30th, 2007 3:24pm
"In which case we should debunk this notion that it is a conspiracy. Us vs Them and all that."

yes, and no.

clearly its not a conspiracy.  but clearly the aggregate effect is somehow causing damage.

it is not a solution to just say 'its their problem' about a group within society, the thing about societies is that problems ultimately end up affecting everyone one way or another.

better to hear the warnings and look for solutions.
Permalink pondBacterium 
July 30th, 2007 3:25pm
Never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
-- John Hanlon
Permalink Send private email Tapiwa 
July 30th, 2007 3:26pm
I don't think it's only this series.

See the ad about Centurio processors at the front page and the ad behind the link. It shows multiple almost identical people and dancing around.

It's dehumnizing: treat people as processors...
Permalink Rick Zeng 
July 30th, 2007 3:30pm
> engaged in an ongoing secret conspiracy

Is that really your only option for how widespread horrible behavior is caused?
Permalink son of parnas 
July 30th, 2007 3:39pm
Yea, I don't think it is overtly racist or part of a large agend by the people at Intel to down african americans(blacks) in ads.  What I do believe is that the ad went through some stupid, surbanites probably those not born in the US.  And yes, there are many in the US who are hyper-sensitive to this kind stuff.  Like Tap said, it is a bad ad.

But a little more than that.  It clearly shows that there probably isn't that much diversity in management at Intel or a lot of companies.  If there was a black manager at Intel that would have seen this, he would have certainly gone "WTF is this, you think I am a slave, you crazy crackerz".  I bet even the athlete model probably questioned it, "So you want me to look straight ahead, right?  No, no, no, we want to you to look straight down, cry a little bit, pretend you have been beaten.  You know what, lick the guys shoes too"  Plus, this is probably part of a Intel dual core, campaign.  The push the black into the dirt as the white guy rides him campaign.  You know, Dell had the "Dell Dude".  Intel has these guys.

Of course, I am exageratting, but there are just too many ways to construe this ad.  Even if you do it subtley, it comes off bad.  The white guy should have put his foot on the black guys head, that might piss of some people.  Could have said this:

"master the power of your employees"
as opposed to:
"maximize the power of your employees"
Permalink Bot Berlin 
July 30th, 2007 3:39pm
"Centurio processors at the front page", where is that Rick?
Permalink Bot Berlin 
July 30th, 2007 3:40pm
"It's dehumnizing: treat people as processors..."

Heh.The Matrix.
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
July 30th, 2007 3:41pm
At intel frontpage.
Permalink Rick Zeng 
July 30th, 2007 3:49pm
"Never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
-- John Hanlon"

God that's stupid, and I wish to hell people would stop trotting that out as if it had any validity whatsoever.
Permalink star wars kid 
July 30th, 2007 7:07pm
Really.  "Never" do that?  Gives Nazi's and the KKK quite an out, don't you think?
Permalink SaveTheHubble 
July 31st, 2007 10:10am
It isn't particularly rosey. Stupidity is far more prevalent, unfortunately. At least malicious acts are fairly predictable.
Permalink Send private email JoC 
July 31st, 2007 2:46pm

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