Muppet's phrasing inspired a thought: are our brains self aware (see I went from self-loving to wouldn't you have to be self-aware to be self-loving to this)?
If you took your brain out of your body but kept it alive, would your soul still be there?
sure it would -- haven't you see futurama?
July 30th, 2007 11:01pm
IMO, anything with a feedback loop in it could be considered self aware.
>If you took your brain out of your body but kept it alive,
>would your soul still be there?
Yep. Soul is the software. Brain is the hardware.
July 30th, 2007 11:03pm
If you freeze a person (I'm talking cryonic style not mafia style), they're technically dead... so the sould leaves the body.
What happens if you later revive the body? Does the soul get sucked back out of heaven, or do you get a living human with out a soul?
July 30th, 2007 11:04pm
Good question, s.
"Soul is the software. Brain is the hardware."
Who says, Colm?
or at the people not really dead and so the soul sits there unable to go to heaven waiting for that never day when we learn to revive them.
July 30th, 2007 11:28pm
> or at the people not really dead and so the soul sits there unable to go to heaven waiting for that never day when we learn to revive them.
If the body is going to be revived, the soul sticks aroud.
If the body is not going to be revived, the soul whizzes off to heaven or hell.
But whether the body is going to be revived, and what the soul needs to do, is not under the control of the person whose soul is at issue. It would unjust for god to require a soul to stick around on earth, and be denied heaven, just because somebody else MIGHT revive the associated corpsicle.
And there's another thing: It would also be unjust for god to require a soul to stick around on earth, and escape punishment in hell, just because somebody else might revive the corpsicle... the meanest, most evil figures in history, could escape hell by stealing enough money to pay a few minions to keep their body on ice!
July 30th, 2007 11:38pm
Ask Jesus, the boy was dead for 72 hours. Allegedly during this time, his soul was in hell, so I don't really see why sharkfish's soul would stick around if we filleted her and put her on ice just in time to thaw her for Friday dinner.
July 31st, 2007 1:12am
> "Soul is the software. Brain is the hardware."
The longing for meaning, purpose and continuation, that's what the soul is. The part of us that won't accept that when we die, the lights will go out and, save the exceptional few that achieved something that lasts beyond their lifetime, nothing will remember future generations that we ever existed.
Locutus of Borg
July 31st, 2007 3:19am
If you can "revive" the body, then the body wasn't completely "Dead". I think that's kind of the definition of "Dead", no?
Sure, there's been people "technically" dead who've been revived -- but we don't bury those people, so the weren't really dead-dead, I assume their soul hadn't left their body yet.
We don't really understand what "life" is, after all. At least, not to the extent that we could assemble a Frankenstein monster and "shock" it back to life. And not to the extent that we could even engineer a virus from scratch -- recombining existing DNA is using life processes to alter life hardware, not create it from whole cloth. And not even to the extent that we COULD put somebody into "suspended animation" and revive them later -- all we've managed to do so far is slow life processes WAY down, then speed them up again.
July 31st, 2007 9:56am
And I'd say "Brain is the hardware, Mind is the software, Soul is a theoretical construct to try to explain what we don't know."
July 31st, 2007 9:58am
"Soul is a theoretical construct to try to explain what we don't know."
That explains zombie movies.
> "Soul is a theoretical construct to try to explain what we don't know."
As our knowledge increases, our souls decrease?
No wonder old people pine for the good ole days.
July 31st, 2007 3:24pm
Nope, as our knowledge increases, so does our area of uncertainty and doubt.
Or, as others have said -- "The more you know, the more you know you don't know."
July 31st, 2007 4:59pm