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how to stop being homeless?

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The posts about how difficult homelessness is to get out of struck me. 

If you had

1. no family
2. no home
3. tattered clothes

How would you get out of homelessness?
Permalink Send private email sharkfish 
September 18th, 2007 2:11pm
Shelters
Goodwill
placement assistance AT the shelter

Many people who remain homeless don't do so because support systems are absent.  They remain homeless because they're mentally ill (including profound depression.)
Permalink Send private email muppet 
September 18th, 2007 2:13pm
Get a job
Pay rent
Permalink Send private email Locutus of Borg 
September 18th, 2007 2:13pm
Read a book everyday at the Library (library = free).  Read anything that you think will benefit you in the short term and maybe stuff in the long term.  Learn physics, a new language, writing.

If you can write, tell your story about being homeless.  Setup a blog on google (free) and then make the blog popular to get you started.
Permalink Bot 
September 18th, 2007 2:14pm
Another thing to add would be "psychiatric treatment".

Many hospitals offer psych treatment to any crazy who walks into the ER.  You can apply for state assistance to pay the bill even.  You can be put up in a halfway house while you look for work and let your meds kick in.  ETC.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
September 18th, 2007 2:14pm
You guys are so clueless it's tragic.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
September 18th, 2007 2:15pm
"You guys are so clueless it's tragic."

Mine is a bit of a stretch, but if I were homeless.  That is what I would do.

The normal homeless person probably needs to take odd jobs.  He or she probably doesnt have a resume and might have a shady background.  I guess moving away from large, rich cities would also be a start.  Move to the south, take shady "cleaning/landscape" jobs.

Go through government housing and then try to move on up from there.
Permalink Bot 
September 18th, 2007 2:17pm
The trouble with many homeless folks is that they're bipolar.  Part of the bipolar disease is the profound belief that the WORLD has the problem, and not you.  People will take their meds until they "feel better" and then will stop taking them, and end up losing their job/apartment/whatever they've gained in the interim since their last episode.  It's a cycle that keeps repeating.

You can't effectively seek treatment if part of your disease is the powerful belief that you're not actually sick.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
September 18th, 2007 2:19pm
>The normal homeless person probably needs to take odd jobs.

Many do. I used to work somewhere where the boss employed a homeless guy to do some painting.

Cash in hand, of course, but he probably wouldn't have been taxed anyhow.
Permalink Send private email Colm 
September 18th, 2007 2:21pm
"You can't effectively seek treatment if part of your disease is the powerful belief that you're not actually sick."

Come on man, you don't believe that absolutely?  Look at people like Jewel (singer) who grew up in poverty.  If you grow up one hair short of being poor and/or homeless, I don't think we can expect you to "not" be homeless and you may not have a mental disease.

With that being said, the homeless people can be crazy.  I don't doubt that at all.
Permalink Bot 
September 18th, 2007 2:23pm
Homeless people's problems are usually not about being homeless but rather some kind of dependency that sucks up all their resources.

Something that struck me hard about being a penniless traveller around the US was how we (the group of South Africans I was backpacking with) could easily find work in whatever city we decided to stay a while in.

Within two days of arriving in Austin all five of us had jobs as house painters which enabled us to stay there for three months before we moved on. Road work, house packing, beach attendant, we did any kind of crap job that gave us some form of mobility and the chance to experience a bit of where we were staying.

If you can't get a minimum wage job in the US you just don't want to work. At least that's how it was in '94 when I did the trip.
Permalink Bluebeard 
September 18th, 2007 2:23pm
Bot -

I'm not even sure I understand your post.  I never said that ALL homeless people are mentally ill.  I said that the ones who remain perpetually homeless probably are.  There aren't too many people who "can't stop" being homeless whose only problem is being homeless.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
September 18th, 2007 2:25pm
How come nobody mentioned friends?
Permalink Send private email Tapiwa 
September 18th, 2007 2:26pm
For a "normal" person who's suddenly become homeless due to misfortune, friends are an obvious first step.  If you're already out on the street, you probably haven't GOT friends willing to help you or you'd be on their couch already.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
September 18th, 2007 2:29pm
Some Deadhead fuckwad with tattoos on his forehead tried to get small change out of me near Austin Uni the one day.

He said "Look here, you see this" he said, pointing to his tattoo'd face, "I can't get a job because of this".

So I asked him who's fault that was and then he really got abusive. He must have thought I was a uni student because he said "Well go buy something with your daddy's credit card then"....blah blah blah.

The overall feeling I got from the jerk was that this was how he'd spent his entire life so far, mostly feeling sorry for himself.

You can't really help people like that.
Permalink Bluebeard 
September 18th, 2007 2:30pm
"How come nobody mentioned friends?"

Exactly. Everyone has connections, no matter how superficial.
Permalink Bluebeard 
September 18th, 2007 2:32pm
And chances are he's mentally ill.  Possibly schizophrenic, bipolar, or a number of other things.  If you could get him to stay on meds, he might be able to turn things around, but chances are you can't and he won't.
Permalink Send private email muppet 
September 18th, 2007 2:32pm
Like Bluebeard says.  If you want a job in America, you can find one.  You just need to adjust your attitude.

And not be pushing a shopping cart around while wielding a baseball bat, muttering about how the world is out to get you.  Of course.
Permalink xampl 
September 18th, 2007 3:15pm
"Everyone has connections, no matter how superficial."

If you're homeless, wouldn't most of your connections also be homeless?
Permalink Send private email Wayne 
September 18th, 2007 3:17pm
not only is everyone on CoT obscenely stupid, they are also a bunch of douchebags.
Permalink hello. 
September 18th, 2007 3:21pm
i think any of us would be able to bounce back if a catastrophe wiped out all our assets and all the people we could possibly depend on.

we aren't chained by the problems that causes people to become homeless in the first place.
Permalink Kenny 
September 18th, 2007 3:24pm
>How would you get out of homelessness?

1. Beg for money.
2. Buy shitty pay as you go mobile phone.
3. Go to internet cafe, write CV with mobile phone number, find jobs, send out CV and create website, etc.
5. Beg some more and get as good a suit as I can afford.
6. Take calls and go to interviews.
7. Get job.
8. Get flat.
Permalink Send private email Colm 
September 18th, 2007 3:27pm
I am lucky enough to live in Canada. Services are available and free.
Permalink Rick Zeng 
September 18th, 2007 6:10pm
>>> I am lucky enough to live in Canada. Services are available and free.

You driven by the Clark St. overpass to the port lately?  We've still got homeless.

muppet is dead on as far as Vancouver goes - there are a lot of homeless people who are mentally ill who _can't_ get off the street.  There was a time when they were in institutions, but those were closed many years ago.  I haven't looked it up to confirm, I heard a news story a couple months ago that they were planning to re-open Riverview (mental institution) for the 2010 Winter Olympics.  Afterwards they'd be back on the streets though.

There are also a ton of fakers, like the girl who's always in the area I live, but she's not homeless, just a beggar. 

Do addicts and alcoholics count as mentally ill?  That's the other big group in Vancouver.  There are only a very small number of homeless people who aren't mentally ill or addicted.
Permalink Send private email Ward 
September 18th, 2007 6:32pm
Yeah. They can live in other places, just not beside my home...
Permalink Rick Zeng 
September 18th, 2007 6:37pm
Rick once again proves he's a chinese guy.
Permalink hello. 
September 18th, 2007 6:42pm
Actually I live near one of these:

http://www.vch.ca/news/docs/mental_health_supported_housing_map.pdf

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Permalink Rick Zeng 
September 18th, 2007 7:01pm

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