Reconciling assholes for nearly a decade.

seems this high school massacre kid was a neo-nazi

Apparently he was trying to convince others in the high school of the need for racial purity. The bullying he received is described, thus far, as name calling. I have to say that if some weird kid was spouting Nazi ideas in my high school I probably would have called him names as well.

I think this kid was mentally ill and the bullying was a reaction to the mental illness and not the other way around.
Permalink name withheld out of cowardice 
March 22nd, 2005
Source?

It may be that this is the case with this kid, but it's reversed in other cases. And it's also possible that his mental instability was the result of ever more bullying prior, who knows?
Permalink muppet 
March 22nd, 2005
Guns don't kill people, Nazis do.
Permalink GML 
March 22nd, 2005
Every high school shooter was a victim of serious bullying.

But of course that has absolutely nothing to do with the shootings.

An investigation into the columbine shootings showed that serious bullying was one of the primary causes of the shooting. Without bullying the shooting would not have happened.

We send our kids to school and expect them to put up with bullying.

If we sent our kids to our neghbors house and they experienced the same treatment we would be outraged.

How did we ever think ourselves into accepting schools that allow this to happen?
Permalink Actively Disengaged 
March 22nd, 2005
Yeah, but those homeschoolers are still a bunch of wacko fundie morons.
Permalink  
March 22nd, 2005
"Every high school shooter was a victim of serious bullying"

Stats?

(Before ronk! jumps in)
Permalink Rick Tang 
March 22nd, 2005
"Yeah, but those homeschoolers are still a bunch of wacko fundie morons."

Yeah, you never hear about any of them shootin each other - they are so weird.
Permalink Actively Disengaged 
March 22nd, 2005
"Every high school shooter was a victim of serious bullying"

In the absence of real data, I'd have a hard time disagreeing with that statement. But what is the cause and what is the effect?

I'd say its possible these kids were mentally ill to begin with (they are mass murderers after all). If a child is mentally ill, you can bet that even under the best circumstances the other kids are going to be cruel.

Mental illness + abuse + ridicule == someone far more likely to kill

Of course, I have nothing to back that up, just hypothesizing.
Permalink ronk! 
March 22nd, 2005
http://www.ic.sunysb.edu/Stu/mzeman/causes.htm

My opinion:
Take any child, subject them to serious bullying for 12 months, hand them a gun during a bullying episode. We would be shocked at how many will pull the trigger.

The bottom line is that schools are a child minding service - we would rather our children suffer mental and physical abuse than give up this vital benefit.

Schools know that herding hundreds of teenagers together will always be a recipe for trouble.
Permalink Actively Disengaged 
March 22nd, 2005
Teachers don't want parents getting involved in schools.

They like their power too much.

What could teachers do? Expel students? Getting students to prison?

What could poor parents do?
Permalink Rick Tang 
March 22nd, 2005
From my experience teacher's LOVE parents getting involved in schools. Teacher's don't got no resources, man! They're underpaid, under-resourced, have to control discipline as well as present classes.

It's amazing what a difference an extra $100 here and there in books or science equipment can make. And since we've gone to two-worker households in this country, the amount of support available through the PTA has dropped dramatically.

Now teachers don't love parents complaining to them, and they really don't like it when a parent blames the teacher for their kid's discipline problem. But it's not a power or control thing.
Permalink AllanL5 
March 22nd, 2005
Then your teacher unions in the states are not doing a good job.
Permalink Rick Tang 
March 22nd, 2005
Red state? Or Blue state?
Permalink AllanL5 
March 22nd, 2005
Where do you live?
Permalink Rick Tang 
March 22nd, 2005
Maryland, so it's a Blue state, but we recently elected a Republican governer, and he's so hot to put in Slot Machines that he's holding up the Educational funding until the state government gives in to his demands.

And in all fairness Educational funding was held up by the last governor also, so he could get a Football Stadium built. My county just put in place a moratorium on building or exapanding schools, due to lack of funding.

But the point holds. Educational Funding is a hot issue in lots of states -- are we spending too little, too much, is the teacher/student ratio too low or too high. The Governator in California is trying to balance the budget on the backs of educators -- after they gave him a one-time pass last year, too.

Mr. Bush with his un-funded mandate "No Child Left Behind" has not helped, and his cuts in Head Start means the state has to decide whether to fund that or smaller class size. The result is things are always done close to the bone.

The teacher unions do their best, but they don't want to be identified as the bad guys.
Permalink AllanL5 
March 22nd, 2005

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