A bunch of cunts, mostly in the Australian sense. Except that one guy.

Starbucks poll

Do you:
a) Have a long coffee recipe that's the only thing you ever order
b) "Shop" the menu, order what you're in the mood for
c) Get annoyed that you can't just order "a large coffee"
d) Never go near the place
Permalink Philo 
January 12th, 2006
I don't go to starbucks (I resent their intrusive practice of opening 47 locations in a single town), but I do have a pretty consistent (if not very long) recipe. :)

Large (or extra large) latte with whole milk and two extra shots.

But I do mix it up sometimes, especially when there's seasonal stuff.
Permalink Mark Warner 
January 12th, 2006
c) I go as its a necessary evil. Only place to get semi-drinkable coffee at work. I don't go to them in my spare time though.
Permalink Phil 
January 12th, 2006
dunkin donuts coffee rules
Permalink sharkfish 
January 12th, 2006
b) because the only time I ever go in is for the seating, like if I'm waiting for a movie and it's the only nearby cafe, plus without waitresses, I can dash out whenever the movie's about to start.
Permalink MarkTAW 
January 12th, 2006
1. Go At least 3-4 times a week.
2. I have a starbucks card
3. Only order coffee (large when I have a lot to do)
4. Normally don't stay too long
5. Rotate between the 3-4 starbucks around me, so I can avoid boring chit-chat with the regular employees.
6. ... Don't really like the taste of coffee.
Permalink Not Berlin 
January 12th, 2006
It's way too expensive.

I think their coffee sucks.

Most north american esspresso-based drinks suck compared to the "real" thing in Italy.

I just drink my own drip coffee, but with good beans I get from a specialty importer.
Permalink Ward Bush 
January 12th, 2006
"It's way too expensive."

Not if you buy 10 a day. Like drugs, you have to space out your usage.

"I think their coffee sucks."

Compared to what? That garbage that comes out of gas-stations, I will pass.

"Most north american esspresso-based drinks suck compared to the "real" thing in Italy."

This may be true, but is it really relevant. I heard Kenyan coffee is good too; but does some coffee shop thousands of miles away even worth bringing up in this argument.

"I just drink my own drip coffee, but with good beans I get from a specialty importer"

We all need a non-reason to leave the house.
Permalink Not Berlin 
January 12th, 2006
"Not if you buy 10 a day. Like drugs, you have to space out your usage"

Makes more sense if I would have said:

"Sure, if you buy 10 a day. Like drugs, you have to space out your usage"
Permalink Not Berlin 
January 12th, 2006
i used to go a couple times a week when I lived in the burbs and there wasn't anything better. now I live in the city and there's at least five places with much better coffee. sometimes I get a starbucks gift card for xmas or a birthday and end up using it when i'm in the airport.

my issue with starbucks coffee is that it tastes "burnt."
also it seems like starbucks coffee has WAY more caffeine than coffee from other places. i feel way more wired, then zorched after a starbucks coffee.
Permalink _ 
January 12th, 2006
for reference, if you live in san francisco, here's some places with MUCH better coffee than starbucks:

Atlas Cafe: http://www.atlascafe.net/
Ritual Coffee Roasters: http://ritualroasters.com/
Blue Bottle Coffee: http://www.bluebottlecoffee.net/

and the all time greatest, Phil'z:

http://www.philzcoffee.com/
Permalink _ 
January 12th, 2006
>>> Sure, if you buy 10 a day.

Even if you buy one a day, $4 is too much for 30 cents worth of ingredients.

>> That garbage that comes out of gas-stations, I will pass.

I generally pass that stuff too, but at least it's only 80 cents.

>>> This may be true, but is it really relevant.

Yeah, even 4000 miles away, it proves there it isn't a big deal to get good espresso/cappucino/etc.

>>> We all need a non-reason to leave the house.

I've got lots of others, going out for shitty over-priced coffee isn't one of them.
Permalink Ward Bush 
January 12th, 2006
Starbucks massively over-roasts their beans.

Go to Vegas in June for the good stuff:

http://www.coffeefest.com/
Permalink Ward Bush 
January 12th, 2006
I think Not Berlin's admission that he doesn't really like the taste of coffee makes the point of the poll. Starbucks doesn't do coffee.

Kenyan coffee isn't thousdands of miles away, its from an area of coffee growing.

My current favourite is a Nicaraguan bean which I grind as I need.

I avoid all places where coffee is manufactured and never expect coffee when I order it and am rarely surprised.
Permalink Simon Lucy 
January 13th, 2006
d) Never go near the place

Unless there's no other choice. I do my best to support the locals whenever I can. My favorite coffee spot is actually joined onto a nice restaurant, and if you stop by during the hours the kitchen is open, you can grab some great breakfast items or sandwiches to go through the little foodie glory hole in the wall between the two. Seems like a win-win for the chef because the coffee place is basically just a cash cow for supporting the much greater expense of running his gourmet operation next door.

Surprisingly, even though a Starbucks opened just down the street about a year ago, the local place still seems to be going strong. Not sure whether it's a loyalty thing or just the fact that for whatever reason, their coffee tastes much better. (At least IMHO)
Permalink bionicroach 
January 13th, 2006
d) There are plenty of *much* better places near to where I work now that serve a decent cup of espresso.

I used to go there everyday where I used to work because it was literally the only place in town that served espresso. Partly why I moved.
Permalink Colm O'Connor 
January 13th, 2006
>Surprisingly, even though a Starbucks opened just down the
>street about a year ago, the local place still seems to be
>going strong.

Yeah, my favorite cafe had a Starbucks open opposite about two years ago and the place didn't lose any business at all. I think they're serving different markets, really (even though Starbucks were blatantly trying to kill them off).
Permalink Colm O'Connor 
January 13th, 2006
d) Flat white == long black with COLD milk alongside. Melbourne (Oz btw Philo) has had Gaggia machinery since 1956 due to an Italian influx finding a wasteland furnished with teapots and Sunbeam coffee percolators.

#1 son (who knows his way around coffee more than I do) thinks Starbucks doesn't have the product or the traction necessary to crack into any but the tourist market -look at the company they keep:

https://selfcare.hotspot.t-mobile.com/locations/retrieveGlobalLocationByCountry.do?country=AU
Permalink trollop 
January 13th, 2006
I regularly get a large coffee. It's about $2 or if the line is too long, I get the crap down the street for $1.5 but I usually regret that later.

When I'm in the mood, sometimes I get a Caramel Macchiato. Mmm... tasty.

I probably stop in 1-3 times/week, less in summer, more in winter.
Permalink KC 
January 13th, 2006
"also it seems like starbucks coffee has WAY more caffeine than coffee from other places. "

This is factually true, I remember reading they have like 4 times more caffeine then your typical home brew. I can pound 4 or 5 cups at home before i get the jitters, one small (sorry "tall") house coffee from starbucks gives me the shakes. And for the love of god, never drink one right before your in a long meeting.
Permalink Phil 
January 13th, 2006
All I can think of when I go to a Starbucks is Dave Barry's comment about their sizes ("tall", which means "small" or "not tall"...)

I'll get a Caramel Macchiato if I must, but I never make a point to go there. My wife likes it, so we end up there every now and then.

I'm happy to drink regular coffee. There's a local place where I grew up that sells the best coffee I've ever had. They have a custom roast that they order, and it's always hot and fresh. Whenever I'm home, I make a point to go there.
Permalink thinker 
January 13th, 2006
d)

Starbucks came here and was quickly adopted by the poseur crowd, eager to finally play the part of sophisticated Seattleites. It quickly faded, though, and sees no more traffic or interest than any other coffee shop. Indeed, it presents no threat to Tim Hortons (which is the "McDonalds" of coffee).

I tried Starbucks, and not only do I like feeling foolish for not knowing the lingo (and I wouldn't feel accomplished if I learned it either), but I had a coffee, which I thought was burnt and gross, and my wife had a hot chocolate that was one of the most vile substances we've ever encountered. Of course one test certainly is no measure of quality, and they could have been bad batches.
Permalink Dennis Forbes 
January 13th, 2006
Never go there. Believe it or not, there isn't one on my route to work or near my office, and I don't really like their coffee anyway.

Against my better judgement I've gotten hooked on Dunkin' Donut's vanilla chai. It's sickeningly sweet but for some reason I have to have them two or three times a week. The rest of the time I drink office coffee (or "sludge" as some of my coworkers call it).
Permalink Dana 
January 13th, 2006
I used to love the Vanilla Chai at Dunkin Donuts, but in general I don't like sweet foods, and now I'm over it. Way too rich for me.

I can't really explain the temporary addiction. :-)
Permalink Generic Error 
January 13th, 2006
"The rest of the time I drink office coffee (or "sludge" as some of my coworkers call it)."

I've never understood why offices accept second rate coffee - making half decent to good coffee is not even remotely hard, and it is only marginally more expensive than the cheapest coffee out there.

The #1 reason most office coffee stinks is because of a-wipes that come and take a cup when it just starts brewing. They'll complain that their cup is "sludge", and everyone else will be left with some tasteless piss water. That should be an executable offense. WAIT UNTIL IT'S DONE BREWING DAMNIT!
Permalink Dennis Forbes 
January 13th, 2006
"Starbucks massively over-roasts their beans."
Holy shit! Finally, someone else agrees with me on this. I've felt like a voice in the wilderness, complaining about the Starbucks' ham-handed butchery of my beloved bean.

It seems as if people around these parts can't get their heads around the idea that stronger taste != (necessarily) stronger coffee.
Permalink Star Wars Kid 
January 13th, 2006
Starbucks coffee tastes burnt, but there are only 2 things I ever get from there -

- a short cup of coffee
- a grande latte
Permalink Sassy 
January 13th, 2006
Yeah, their espresso is burnt.
Permalink Colm 
January 13th, 2006
Starbucks does burn their beans. I know this as a fact from insiders who worked there previously. Just nasty.

Personally, I only go there for the tea. I wouldn't even think about buying their coffee.

There's a bumper sticker that I see every so often:
"Friends don't let friends go to Starbucks"
Permalink QADude 
January 13th, 2006
As a real, true blooded Seattleite, allow me to inform the masses of my much regarded opinion.

1) Starbucks sucks.

2) There is nothing wrong with gas station coffee. It's caffine at its rawest form. Pure, nasty coffee is the best way to go in the morning.

3) In Seattle, the best place is either Cafe Vita on Capitol Hill, or the Cafe Ladro chain scattered about.

4) If you ever say "Vente" "Grande" or "Whatever the small is" you are, in fact, a poser. It's 20oz, 16oz and 12oz.

5) Starbucks sucks.

Good Day.
Permalink Cory R. King 
January 13th, 2006
I've never been to Starbucks because I don't drink coffee.

I'm mainly a tea drinker, but I find it interesting that despite the huge variety of tea available, most coffee shops and cafes (at least in the UK) only offer you one blend and most of the time, it's simply a commercial blend you can buy in the supermarket. Neither is there any additional thought given to how to brew the tea.

Contrast this with Coffee, where not only are you offered a multitude of varieties, but many people are happy to pay a premium price because of the perception that it takes specialist skills or expensive machines to produce the best brew (however true or false that may be).
Permalink Mediocre programmer at best 
January 15th, 2006

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