Nobody likes to be called a dummy by a dummy.

Now that I've actually read that "Lazy Man" article

it pisses me off. He's yet another in a long line of loud-mouthed "My health is perfect so clearly you're all doing it wrong" assholes who acts as though there's no such thing as a genetic disease despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Yes, with the proper regimen you can moderate MOST such diseases until it seems you're not sick at all, but not with all and not all the time.

I can't fucking stand smug assholes like that. LOOK AT ME I'M PERFECT ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS EXACTLY WHAT I TELL YOU IT'S /SIMPLE/!!!

Twat.
Permalink Generic Error 
January 17th, 2006
Pity.
Permalink KayJay 
January 17th, 2006
I don't think he made any sort of absolute statement. In fact he seemed to continually use limiting adjectives such as "most".

I think he makes a very good point, personally, and I don't really see why you should take offense with it.
Permalink Dennis Forbes 
January 17th, 2006
I take offense because he's a smug asshole and it's readily apparent in the tone of his piece. "I'm doing it right and the rest of the world are fools."
Permalink Generic Error 
January 17th, 2006
Wouldn't you agree that most people are doing "wrong" medically, though? As a society we do basically abscond personal responsibility for our health, relying upon the healthcare system to cure us when something does happen. Prevention is given very little consideration, which I think is the core of his point.
Permalink Dennis Forbes 
January 17th, 2006
I suppose you're right Dennis and the idea he's trying to convey is a good one, but he oversimplifies it a tad too much and there's an overall tone of finger wagging.
Permalink Generic Error 
January 17th, 2006
For someone who complains about people who get easily offended, you sure get easily offended. I'm doubting this piece was meant to slam the genetically impaired, it just doesn't make an interesting piece to say "people are overmedicated, medication treats the symptoms not the cause...oh except for you genetic disease people"
Permalink Phil 
January 17th, 2006
Did you stop to consider he might be right?
Permalink ronk! 
January 17th, 2006
Of course he's right to an extent, ronk. It's common sense.

And I'm not saying he should put a big fat disclaimer on the piece listing exclusions, either.

Believe me, I know firsthand that the drugs I'm on are essentially useless, treating only the symptoms and then only as long as I stay on them forever. Works out nice for the drug companies. I'm fully cognizant of that. The fact is, though, that I have to accept this shafting by the pharma companies because they wouldn't make any money if they cured me, and without the drugs, the symptoms they treat are unbearable.

I managed to go COMPLETELY WITHOUT SYMPTOMS of a serious chronic disease for SIXTEEN YEARS as a result of a healthy and tightly restricted diet regiment and a program of exercise and stress redmediation, so that's all accurate too.

But it's the tone of the piece. The "you're all a bunch of wankers look how easy it is" is very evident and largely bullshit for a decent chunk of the population.

You'll notice that even though I went sixteen years symptom free, I'm certainly symptom free no longer. What changed? My age. That's about it.
Permalink Generic Error 
January 17th, 2006
Yeah well Phil, you're right, sometimes a piece is more interesting if you deliberately ignore the elephant in the room. BushCo is good at that. :)
Permalink Generic Error 
January 17th, 2006
> You'll notice that even though I went sixteen years symptom free, I'm certainly symptom free no longer. What changed? My age. That's about it.

Really, in 16 years, the only thing that's changed about you is your age? Not your physical activity level? Not your workload? Not your love life? Not your stress level? Not your family obligations? Not your work environment? Nothing else has changed that could possibly affect your health? Just your age?
Permalink ronk! 
January 17th, 2006
ronk --

obviously the details have changed, but I'd say the stress level, family shit, and so on are about the same. Obviously it's a bit more difficult to be a parent than to be an emancipated teenager with a rent to pay and a shitty job, but I'd still say that while stress might be a bit higher the rest is pretty equivalent, if different.
Permalink Generic Error 
January 17th, 2006
> while stress might be a bit higher the rest is pretty equivalent, if different.

Then I guess its a good thing that science has shown stress levels never ever impact health. Yup, no evidence at all....
Permalink ronk! 
January 17th, 2006
I never said stress doesn't impact health. I said my stress level might be a bit higher (as in slightly). From 100% asymptomatic to falling completely fucking apart seems a pretty large leap for a tad more stress, to me. :)
Permalink Generic Error 
January 17th, 2006
I see, his article is a personal affront to the worldview you have carefully crafted about yourself. Now its clear why it angers you so.
Permalink ronk! 
January 17th, 2006
Yes, that's exactly it, ronk.

Go troll a more gullible poster. :)

I said his techniques work. Hell I've used them. My argument was that they're not universal, and he's presenting them as if he's Moses with the 10 commandments.

Don't MOST people take exception or agree with X based on their own life experience?

(That's a rhetorical question)
Permalink Generic Error 
January 17th, 2006
"That's a rhetorical question"

Hehe, I liked one of those "how to determine if you're a nerd" questions - "Do you answer rhetorical questions?"
Permalink Dennis Forbes 
January 17th, 2006
What article?
Permalink MarkTAW 
January 17th, 2006
Just made my way down to the original thread.

Yeah, the guy's a complete moron, but you should have figured that from the name of his blog. Anyone who blogs about "success" is bound to be an arrogant pinhead.
Permalink MarkTAW 
January 17th, 2006
I definitely enjoy stirring things up and I clearly did in this instance.

As for being an arrogant, self-righteous moron and anal sphincter, you may be right. I am frequently guilty of such charges. However, a salvo across the bow of a fraudulent (and clueless) medical establishment and an equally corrupt corporate world will hopefully wake up those who have been lulled by such nonsence and are squandering life, love, health, and spiritual well-being in pursuit of that which is completely empty.

I'm sorry if my post offended you.
Permalink Uncle Fred 
January 17th, 2006
No it didn't offend me I just think you're a twat. There's a world of difference there, fuckstick.
Permalink Generic Error 
January 17th, 2006
You've obviously got a lot of anger stored up in you. In my twat-ful opinion, that probably isn't helping your condition. I hope you get better soon.
Permalink Uncle Fred 
January 17th, 2006
Swell. I hope you get a clue soon. :)

Kisses.
Permalink Generic Error 
January 17th, 2006
I wish the same for you.
Permalink Uncle Fred 
January 17th, 2006
Freddy, I know you're going to dismiss me now as childish/angry/what-have-you, but I made my articulate and reasoned arguments above and don't care to repeat them. If you've got a bit of reading comprehension, you can go back over this thread and the last one and pick out the relevant bits. THEN you can dismiss me so as not to bruise your carefully propped-up ego. At least then you can tell yourself you were objective.

Much love.
Permalink Generic Error 
January 17th, 2006
It's too long to read again. Plus I have no use for objectivity. Good luck to you.
Permalink Uncle Fred 
January 17th, 2006
Ah well then, good day to you. I'll look forward to the next two paragraphs of excrement you decide to queaf out.
Permalink Generic Error 
January 17th, 2006
Fred and G.E., God loves both of you. Go in peace.

(God loves me more though)
Permalink PanogX 
January 17th, 2006
The article also ignores that most doctors will tell their patients to lose weight, eat better, improve their lifestyle, etc at pretty much every visit. The truth is that people don't listen.

You see, all those lifestyle changes are hard. It's much easier to spend the money and pop a pill to make the symptoms go away.

Then there's also the fact that there are plenty of things that might be great for my health that people just aren't willing to do. In my case Yoga and meditation.

I do enjoy a semi-regular round of Dance Dance Revolution though.
Permalink Steve Barbour 
January 17th, 2006

This topic was orginally posted to the off-topic forum of the
Joel on Software discussion board.

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