Ectopia or Crazy on Tap? I see people posting on both forums. Which one should we focus on?

Eiher/or.  Take your pick, use both, use neither!

This is an ?off clone and AHA put it together because of the shutdown.  Ectopia was created when ?off was unreliable a few months back and isn't a clone.  (I think the first Simon knew of the shutdown was waking up to a few emails and a bunch of people camped in his basement complaining about wallpaper).

So the answer is post to whichever you prefer or post to both (I do).  As to "official" - c'mon.  Either causes an allegic reaction in New York;-)

I prefer this one.

Flasher, don't start that again... :)

What?

Upsetting Simon...

(And at the risk of a non sequitur, why's the reddit link moved in the sidebar?)

http://www.afsp.org/education/newrecommendations.htm

- Certain ways of describing suicide in the news contribute to what behavioral scientists call "suicide contagion" or "copycat" suicides.

- Dramatizing the impact of suicide through descriptions and pictures of grieving relatives, teachers or classmates or community expressions of grief may encourage potential victims to see suicide as a way of getting attention or as a form of retaliation against others.

etc.

Right.  And advertising guns may compel people to go out and shoot someone as a method of killing them and or getting them to go away.

The logic is there, but it's stupid logic.  :)

Actually, I think the logic would be "glorifying gun violence may compel some people who are close to the edge to shoot someone they're angry with."

We're not talking about going from 0 to 100, we're talking about going from 49 to 51.

Incidentally, part of Michael Moore's message in "Bowling for Columbine" (which was lost in the anti-gun noise) was that the US is different due to our societal glorification of guns and gun violence. Look at the GTA:San Andreas nonsense - nobody cared about the game when it was about shooting cops and hookers; but when ONE HIDDEN SEX ACT was revealed, suddenly it's eeeeevil.

I think it's similar to the idea that "there's no such thing as bad press" - by constantly talking about gun crime, even as a perjorative, it makes it "more normal"

And look at the rash of school shootings post-Columbine.

Talking about a thing makes it more real; and therefore lowers the barrier for someone else who might have a disposition to do it.

Philo

What happened to that Dutch guy with all the insightful posts?

I you mean Erik Spinglecamp - I last saw him in the other bar, but I think he pops in here too.