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So...it has rained, everyday for 5 months now?

Is somebody telling us something? Has it rained just about everywhere, everyday in the east, west in this country(US)?

Or is that just me?
Permalink Berlin Brown 
August 10th, 2005
In Indy it goes back and forth. We had a long dry spell, then a span of constant rain, and lately it's been rain for two days, no rain for three - or something like that.

At least that's how it seems.
Permalink Aaron F Stanton 
August 10th, 2005
"Has it rained just about everywhere, everyday in the east, west in this country(US)?"

Well, we haven't had any serious rain here in Portugal for months, so it figures that the water is going somewhere else.

"Is somebody telling us something?"

Porbably that we're f***ing up the weather. No, wait, I forgot. That's not our fault. We don't really know what the hell we're doing, but we've already determined, with a reasonable amount of certainty, that we're probably not responsible for any eventual change in the weather.
Permalink Paulo Caetano 
August 10th, 2005
No, the issue is that nobody has proven that we *are* responsible. There's a difference.

We *are* coming out of a mini ice age.

Having said that, I have no problems with playing it safe. We have GOT to replace the automobile. Between road maintenance, highway fatalities, emissions, and traffic, the system is completely broken, and probably flawed at the base. We need to find other ways to get people and things to where they need to be.

Philo
Permalink Philo 
August 10th, 2005
We haven't had an awful lot in the UK.
Permalink Colm O'Connor 
August 10th, 2005
"No, the issue is that nobody has proven that we *are* responsible. There's a difference."

Yeah, I know, but let me indulge in a little hype, OK? :)


"Having said that, I have no problems with playing it safe."

My point, exactly. What bugs me in this whole story is how we just say "we're not sure about what we're doing, but let's just keep on doing it, and hope for the best".

I mean, your doctor tells you that eating product XYZ *could* kill you in a few years. Then, you get a second opinion that says, "Nah, just keep doing what you do now, and don't worry about it"

Assuming both have equally compelling evidence, wouldn't you try, at least, to minimize your consumption of XYZ? Or would you carry on as usual?
Permalink Paulo Caetano 
August 10th, 2005
"I mean, your doctor tells you that eating product XYZ *could* kill you in a few years."

But if you don't want that product we have this other really expensive product ABC that will require a major life-style change. And, of course, it might not be product XYZ at all that's killing you and you'll die anyway even with ABC.
Permalink Almost H. Anonymous 
August 10th, 2005
With how utterly clueless we are with what our impacts actually are, we may do even worse by altering them. If you looked at nature like a Darwinian animal, it would mislead it into adapting in ways that did not suit it.

I am in the camp that sees nature as very resilient and a bit beyond our control. I think it will adapt to us.
Permalink I am Jack's infinite id 
August 10th, 2005
Heh. A friend of mine feels the same way - "How arrogant is it for us to think that WE can change a planet?"

Philo
Permalink Philo 
August 10th, 2005
"I think it will adapt to us."

And quite possibly *without* us. We're obviously not going to destroy the planet completely but it's not out of the question that the next "steady state" the Earth reaches once we've finished fucking with it will be one sans humans.
Permalink Mat Hall 
August 10th, 2005
I am Jack's infinite id:
"With how utterly clueless we are with what our impacts actually are, we may do even worse by altering them"

You could be right. But do you really believe reducing pollution would have a negative impact?

Mat Hall:
"And quite possibly *without* us"

Yep. I'll admit my concern is not entirely altruistic. I'd like the Earth to stabilize without getting rid of us :)
Permalink Paulo Caetano 
August 10th, 2005

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