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2002 - Bush Administration backs coup against elected president

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article307975.ece

amazing. did anyone else know this stuff?
Permalink Jesus H Christ 
August 25th, 2005
I'm not surprised. I still remember listening to the radio the night we invaded Panama. Because, you know, our treaty with them was about to expire and we would have had to turn over control of the canal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama

The sheer scope of American military activity around the world boggles the mind.
Permalink MarkTAW 
August 25th, 2005
its really good to see us so willing to fight for whats right all over the world.

fuck. why do I ever even hope.
Permalink Jesus H Christ 
August 25th, 2005
Most of the rest of the world has known about this since, oh I don't know, since 2002, perhaps?
Permalink el 
August 25th, 2005
One of the crimes of the American Century that the rest of the world let the USA get away with was treating South America as solely within their sphere of influence and that whatever was good for the USA had to happen in Central America.
Permalink Simon Lucy 
August 25th, 2005
> did anyone else know this stuff?

Venezuelans do. In another forum I was frequenting then, a man (a mini-ISV) from Venezuela (Caracas) occasionally posted updates about the goings-on there.
Permalink Christopher Wells 
August 25th, 2005
Crimes...

Indeed, one would have to look very hard to find an example of the US government actively supporting democracy in South America. That is, of course, unless you describe democracy as being power held by a small, select rabidly right-wing group who use torture, "disappearences", detention without trial, subversion of the judically and political system, and a police state to control the rest of the population.

Actually, sounds a little like US democracy.
Permalink el 
August 25th, 2005
Now I *can't* even begin to evaluate this, but it reminds me of one of Harry Turtledove's wilder works ...

http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mcanadawar.html
Permalink trollop 
August 25th, 2005
America is for a democracy. As long the candidates are all nearly identical.
Permalink MarkTAW 
August 25th, 2005
A friend of mine had just flown in on the day of the coup and was staying in his hotel the day it happened. Unfortunately, his hotel happened to be in no-man's land, so he was holed up in his room living off stale crackers and cheese for a couple of days listening to the sound of gunshots and tanks rolling up and down the street.
Permalink Colm O'Connor 
August 25th, 2005
The 2002 Venezeulan coup was the topic of the documentary The Revolution Will Not Be Televised.

FAIR, the media watchdog, then explained: "U.S. Papers Hail Venezuelan Coup as Pro-Democracy Move"
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1867
Permalink Tayssir John Gabbour 
August 25th, 2005
Incidentally, Pat Robertson justified his assassination-desire by explaining: "This is in our sphere of influence, so we can't let this happen. We have the Monroe Doctrine, we have other doctrines that we have announced."

This is actually consistent US foreign policy, so his comments didn't come out of nowhere. The problem for him (and others) is, there's too much attention aimed at the US's foreign policy and oil at the moment.
Permalink Tayssir John Gabbour 
August 25th, 2005
Cheap oil on offer. Cheeky, what?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/venezuela/story/0,12716,1555970,00.html
Permalink trollop 
August 25th, 2005
<<The sheer scope of American military activity around the world boggles the mind.>>

it's boggling that it's boggling.
Permalink Kenny 
August 25th, 2005
This couldn't possibly have happened. It's against international law.
Permalink son of parnas 
August 25th, 2005
>One of the crimes of the American Century that the rest of the world let the USA get away with was treating South America as solely within their sphere of influence...
Simon, we call that The Monroe Doctrine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monroe_Doctrine
Permalink Peter 
August 25th, 2005
More precisely, the Roosevelt Corollary - just follow the wiki links.
Permalink Aaron F Stanton 
August 25th, 2005
The Monroe Doctrine was resisted in the 19th century. It was Rooseveldt's parleying that extended it and that wasn't resisted.
Permalink Simon Lucy 
August 25th, 2005
Until the next Roosevelt denounced it with his "Good Neighbor " policy.
Permalink Jared 
August 25th, 2005

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