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FogCreek's hardcore language of the future

Hey I was thinking lately about Joel's writing. Joel's pretty pessimistic about C# (with AVALON coming and all). Java is run by a company that's losing some oomphs as well. Do you think for Fogcreek it's best if they bet on a 90% Visual C++ 7.0 and 10% C# Winforms solution (or even, dare I mention, C++ Builder and Delphi)?
Permalink Li-fan Chen 
March 20th, 2005
Since forgcreek doesn't appear to be chasing the bleeding edge of technology, let's wait 3 years and see what the uptake of longhorn will be.

I am more than sure there will be some MFC templates that can emulate the look of Avalon plus there will be more than enough .NET hooks to have the avalon look and win32 guts. 3 years ago the craze was that all new applications should be in winforms and .NET, look at it now, winforms is being abandoned and .NET is mostly server based.

This is coming from the opinion that all avalon is, some eye candy that will make regular pc users want to upgrade their rigs.
Permalink Alex K 
March 20th, 2005
"This is coming from the opinion that all avalon is, some eye candy that will make regular pc users want to upgrade their rigs."

Exactly. Microsoft needs the desktop app to remain the center of the universe. So we need more eye candy. We need "smart clients". The problem is people like Amazon, Google, Ebay because those sites give more features and upgrades instantly. Users don't need to follow the purchase | install | troubleshoot | uninstall | reinstall path desktop apps so often put us on. For web based apps nothing but browser compatibility matters. It doens't matter what other programs are installed, what conflicting dll's lie waiting to do you in. Desktop apps are leaving the joe user with a bad taste in their mouths.

Even corporate IT is centralizing again. It is plain and simple more efficient in a lot of ways. Good luck Microsoft. You are going to need it.
Permalink little do ye know 
March 21st, 2005
I wonder if they already tried to create a FogBugz.NET using http://www.php-compiler.net/ . So that would be ASP -> .NET using their own ASP -> PHP and Phalanger to complete the PHP -> .NET part. If this is any good it could drastically reduce their need for servers in the farm for hosting FogBugz.
Debugging the end result could prove a challage since they are now 2 steps away from the original source.
Permalink Just me (Sir to you) 
March 21st, 2005

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