BTK is a Republican.
Is this a coincidence?
August 18th, 2005
He also owns a car. We should check into that, too.
And he probably has a bank account. Coincidence?
Probably not. But the regular church goer/leader thing...
August 18th, 2005
He's also a male - having a penis is a slippery slope "violations" of all kinds.
Holy shit, he's human, too!
"He's human, too"
Both of these are good points, but I don't think they will reassert shark's argument.
1. He is human. Well, these acts probably could not have been performed by other forms of life. Bear, possibly. We will have to assume that these acts could only have been performed by a human.
2. Bank Account. Well, we don't know for sure if he had a bank account, but we will assume he did due to the traveling involved.
So, this leaves us with Sharkfish's original assertion, "BTK, being a republican had something to do with him being evil".
There is something about a boring, conservative lifestyle that seems to mask evil in hatred in people. It is masked by a seemingly happy family-life and strong church upbringing. I propose that life is not so cut and dry, there are shades of grey. A democrat would approach life differently, and hence not kill people. We see this attitude in republican leaders. Bush, instead of trying to understand the evil that was brought to us, let just blow it up; I am talking about the Iraq war. Newt Gingrich, instead of finding a solution to the immigration problem, let us just put up a big wall around the United States, fitted with a impenetrable infantry. It will cost 30 Trillion dollars, but if it is to protect our nation from the terror of an aging Mexican grandmother, it must be worth it.
Back to the premise of this discussion; based on the evidence I presented here, BTK's being a republican probably caused all the grief that we have witnessed and Bush is also at fault for not dealing with one of his own beforehand.
August 19th, 2005
Who the hell is BTK?
August 19th, 2005
Billy the Kid?
August 19th, 2005
Dennis Rader, a sadistic serial killer from Kansas, who gave himself the name 'Bind, Torture, Kill.' He remained uncaught for nearly 30 years.
You could start a meme here.
Democrats get assassinated. The religious right holds the nutters who bomb abortion clinics. George W invaded a foreign country.
It seems the extreemists are 'conservative' -- so convinced their way is right, that they are willing to kill others to prove it.
I'm sure it's a false meme -- I'm sure there are some Democratic nutters out there, willing to assassinate Republicans. Maybe it's the Republicans who have most of the guns?
Oh, and ironically, it was his computer that got him caught, finally. He kept writing to reporters, and the cops traced the letters back to a computer he was using at the Lutheran church where he was the president. Rader was also a Boy Scout leader. Pillar of the community.
A Lutheran!? A nutter Lutheran? Are most Lutheran's Republican?
I ask, because I belong to a relatively conservative church, even though I myself am moderate, and some in the church think being a Democrat means you hate God.
++Maybe it's the Republicans who have most of the guns?
Well, they do have the NRA...
++...and some in the church think being a Democrat means you hate God.
> BTK's being a republican probably caused all the grief
> that we have witnessed and Bush is also at fault for
> not dealing with one of his own beforehand.
Yeah, good thing the Republicans are the only extremists, huh? The idea that Bush is somehow at fault for every single thing that happens isn't at all extreme.
No, it's really not Bush's fault. I mean, do you blame the puppet, or the puppeteer?
We should start a web site where every single thing in the news every day is somehow blamed on the current president, no matter who it is. That would be really funny.
Better than that would be a fake Wikipedia that blames everything ever on the current president.
I know Bush is responsible for the Crimean War and the Boer Wars, I just need to figure out how.
Democrats get assassinated? Abraham Lincoln was a republican. Attempts were made on the lives of Ford and Reagan.
As for evil being caused by republicanism, please note that the movements afoot to restore voting rights to convicted felons are by democrats. Why? Because convicted felons are overwhelmingly democrats.
If the argument is only about serial killing, I suggest presenting evidence of the politcis of a few more such killers. A one person pattern isn't just suspect. It is stupid.
I SAID it was a false meme. Sheesh.
So your point is that Democratic extreemists are much less competent than Republican extreemists? I could agree with that. Was Timothy McVey a Republican? He was very effective.
Yes, this thread is a bit of a tempest in a tea-pot, since it deals with a single example and tries to then generalize about it. Sigh.
<Jeff Thomas>I know Bush is responsible for the Crimean War and the Boer Wars, I just need to figure out how. Jeff Thomas </Jeff Thomas>
The war is both a crime and a bore, so at the risk of making a really bad pun, I'd have to say that Bush IS responsible.
"I ask, because I belong to a relatively conservative church, even though I myself am moderate, and some in the church think being a Democrat means you hate God."
Maybe they read this.
"Our President thinks God talks to him. You know who thinks that? Crazy people."
Brilliant, Jim, thanks for the link.
It's not people who kill people, it's extreemist people who kill people. And that goes for Moslem, Christian, Jewish, Republican, or Democratic.
It was Goldwater who said "Extreemism in the defense of liberty is no vice!" in 1964. It lost him the election. But it's the policy followed by Nixon, Reagan, and Bush 2.
And it's not extreemism by itself that does the job. It's the approaches taken by people who believe in extreemism. They distort reality to support their views. They teach their distorted reality to others. They think only they are sufficiently committed to get the job done. Killing the other guy is an acceptable approach.
When an individual does it, we call him crazy and lock him up.
++please note that the movements afoot to restore voting rights to convicted felons are by democrats.
Also note that all convicted felons do not lose their voting rights to begin with. Only some felonies forfeit those rights, not all.
I fail to see the argument for why any crime other than treason should forfeit your voting priveleges.
I think thereasoninng is you have demonstrated contempt for the law and shouldn't have a say in the law. Criminals would vote for people who are "soft on crime"
But once you're out of prison, isn't your debt to society paid? If so, why not restore voting rights? If not, why are these people free to go?
"I fail to see the argument for why any crime other than treason should forfeit your voting priveleges."
If those jackasses who wrote the damn Constitution had bothered to put the reason for the entire Revolutionary War in there ("no taxation without representation") we wouldn't be having this discussion.
If ability to vote had been a requirement to be taxed, it wouldn't have taken 100 years for women to get the vote, there never would've been the whole voting rights issue in the south, felons could vote while in jail - hell, the voting age would probably be fifteen.