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There is but one truly serious philosophical - suicide.

"There is but one truly serious philosophical problem and that is suicide." - Albert Camus

"Suicide is man's way of telling God, "You can't fire me - I quit." - Bill Maher.

"I just couldn’t live with myself knowing I had just killed myself." - Anon.

"When you've got nowhere to turn, turn on the gas." , Anon.

"The obsession with suicide is characteristic of the man who can neither live nor die, and whose attention never swerves from this double impossibility." - Emile M. Cioran


"Suicide sometimes proceeds from cowardice, but not always; for cowardice sometimes prevents it; since as many live because they are afraid to die, as die because they are afraid to live" -

“Suicide is a fundamental human right. This does not mean that it is morally desirable. It only means that society does not have the moral right to interfere” - Charles Caleb Colton

“he would say 'how funny it will all seem, all you've gone through, when I'm not here anymore. when you no longer feel my arms around my shoulders, nor my heart beneath you, nor this mouth on your eyes. because I will have to go away someday, far away--' And in that instant I could feel myself with him gone, dizzy with fear, sinking down into the most horrible blackness: Into death.” - Arthur Rimbaud

“Suicide is the punctuation mark at the end of many artistic careers” - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

“To make yourself something less than you can be - that too is a form of suicide” - Benjamin Lichtenberg
Permalink Chris McKinstry 
January 20th, 2006
Chris, please, are you serious?
Permalink sharkfish 
January 20th, 2006
Pretty porr taste for a joke. It is real.

I am just making my permanent mark on the web so others can figure out what happened.


I amk sorry I am am typing wrse that usual.
Permalink Chris McKinstry 
January 20th, 2006
Where do you work? Are you at work or at home now?
Permalink sharkfish 
January 20th, 2006
I left my office. i am elsewhere.
Permalink Chris McKinstry 
January 20th, 2006
At a cafe.
Permalink MarkTAW 
January 20th, 2006
Exactly. My my coordination is failing and i have to leave now. I will not be back.
Permalink Chris McKinstry 
January 20th, 2006
Fuck off Chris with your bullshit

You think this shit is funny? Go fucking top yourself
Permalink Dan 
January 20th, 2006
If you think this is funny, well that is your problem. Not mine. See you on the other side, if there is one.
Permalink Chris McKinstry 
January 20th, 2006
Chris, mind altering drugs like lsd really screw up your head. My advice is to postpone such a decision and avoid all drugs (except maybe coffee/tea) for at least 2 weeks.

I think you got a bad batch of acid and are tripping out.
Permalink Peter 
January 20th, 2006
If he's bucking for troll of the month, he's still got a week and a half to go.

This kinda makes me wish I'd volunteered at that suicide hotline when I wanted to back in the summer.
Permalink MarkTAW 
January 20th, 2006
`Yes, he's dying but 1) the sig has no link to his blog 2) despite his protestations, his spelling is much better than usual 3) he started a second thread for no reason at all.'

The OP of one of his threads was posted to his blog after he posted it here, purportedly, which is a pretty good validation of authenticity (unless someone haxxored his blog...which seems unlikely), so I do think it's the genuine Chris, not to mention that it's posting from Santiago, Chile, so it'd have to be a local troll to Chris if that were the case.

Having said that, he seemed to be going into the death rattle for a bit there, with poorly worded and typed communications, and suddenly reverted back to his original form. Who knows. Tough situation because you can look like a dumb sucker, or a heartless asshole, depending upon how one reacts and how it eventually turns out. When stories about thoughtless forums come out and everyone poo-poos, I always think that they're deluded: If everyone took everything everyone said seriously on discussion groups, there'd have to be a uniformed officer in every group.

Nonetheless, Chris has some psychological issues regardless, so any effort isn't wasted even if he's hopped up on goofballs. Of course I hope he's not disappointed by the slow response given the copious communication issues involved.
Permalink Dennis Forbes 
January 20th, 2006
"Tough situation because you can look like a dumb sucker, or a heartless asshole, depending upon how one reacts and how it eventually turns out."

You can make one of two mistakes here - mistaking this for being true while it's a joke, or mistake it for being a joke while it's a true.

Which error would you rather make?
Permalink MarkTAW 
January 20th, 2006
>>> Which error would you rather make?

Having made the first, callous, reply, I've kept out of the other thread attempting to help him. If it _is_ real, I haven't been in a position to help anyway.
Permalink Ward Bush 
January 20th, 2006
My thoughts exactly, Mark.

BTW, can we clean up the sidebar for today? We have guests.
Permalink example 
January 20th, 2006
LOL. We have guests, quick make everything as bland as possible. OK I'll play along, but since Chris chose to post here, I figure he wants the full flavor of everything that's happening.
Permalink MarkTAW 
January 20th, 2006
"Which error would you rather make?"

Yeah, I think my point is that it's serious regardless, even if it's a "hoax".
Permalink Dennis Forbes 
January 20th, 2006
i admire anybody willing to jumpstart their journey into the dark "extreme sport" of philosophical research...
Permalink Kenny 
January 20th, 2006
basic human decency requires that we take the guy seriously, at least for now. If it turns out to be a hoax, we can kill him then.
Permalink Star Wars Kid 
January 20th, 2006
He could at least pay example a few bucks for his cell phone bill. International calls are murderious on cell phones.
Permalink MarkTAW 
January 20th, 2006
>> I figure he wants the full flavor of everything that's happening <<

I was thinking of Carolyn, actually. Plus whomever she invites from the Canadian embassy.

Also, I expect a reporter will pick up on this story sooner or later. Probably with some lurid headline.

sigh.
Permalink example 
January 20th, 2006
I can't imagine that forum suicide notes (real or fictional) are all that uncommon. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like it'd be almost regular nowadays, given the prevalence of this form of communication.
Permalink Dennis Forbes 
January 20th, 2006
I linked to the kid who killed himself on webcam for a video game forum crowd, which made headlines briefly yesterday, so this stuff still makes headlines.
Permalink MarkTAW 
January 20th, 2006
Well, and there's that 'told u I wuz hardcore' guy. He became a t-shirt. I read about him in Harper's.
Permalink Star Wars Kid 
January 20th, 2006
The post made me get my Cioran out. 800 aphorisms and everyone is depressing! I can't even mention the name of the book, for christ's sake.
Permalink Spinoza 
January 20th, 2006
This probsbly isn't the first "forum suicide note," but it might be the first time a forum contributed to the suicide. I can't imagine Chris got as much detailed criticism, abuse, and general mockery from anywhere else as he got here.
Permalink Ward Bush 
January 21st, 2006
meh. he chose to keep coming back. like the rest of us he was actively looking for whatever it was he found here.
Suicide is the fault and responsibility of the person who does it.

and, as Ive always said, the *great* thing about people who want to commit suicide is that if you ignore them, the problem goes away by itself.
Permalink Jesus H Christ 
January 21st, 2006
"Superb troll."

You idiots can't for a minute let your guard down about OMG WHAT IF IT'S A TROLL even when it's a man's life on the line.
Permalink Mr. Powers 
January 21st, 2006
meh 2. We merely labeled the particular brand of BS he liked to sling as BS -- which it was.

I knew a guy who suicided once. (I sure seem to know an amazing range of guys these days) In fact, I've lost one Grandfather, one Great Grandfather, and one Uncle to suicide.

Bottom line -- much as we wish it were different, the world can be a difficult place. Some make it, some don't. Even if you don't "make it", it's possible to appreciate life itself.

The problem with suicide is that you can't change your mind once you've done the deed.
Permalink AllanL5 
January 21st, 2006
"yes, I am going to be suspicious when he posts two elaborate suicide notes on a forum full of people he doesn't like."

what makes you think he does like us?

meh, dont worry about it andy. no one thinks the less of you for harping on about the possibility of a little personal embarrassment in the middle of a thread where someone we all knew was committing suicide.
you didn't look petty, stupid or weak willed at *all*, so just ignore those who are now saying you did.

seriously, I was really impressed by the way you refused to be derailed from your constant tirade of 'what if its all a joke' regardless of the facts made available to you. accusing the embassy lady to be a fake was particularly clever and appropriate at that time I thought.

"Why not hop off your white charger and stop being so melodramatic?"

why not go jam a sharp fork into your eyeballs and stop being such a boring prat?
Permalink Jesus H Christ 
January 21st, 2006
Andy, I am melodramatic by design when it's about someone dying. As soon as he's back up, I can continue being an occasional cunt.
Permalink Mr. Powers 
January 22nd, 2006
""you in general, not you personally"

oh no, I personally did.

yeah, but he kept coming back. *and* he had the odd decent discussion about other stuff.

check the archives.


"Are you honestly saying you're one of them?"

good christ no. well...kind of...at the time I felt a basic sort of general sadness...but, lets face it, overall I couldn't care less one way or the other.

"what's the harm in discussing the possibility? "

no harm. you didn't really discuss it though, did you? you just kept harping on and on about it like no one else could possibily have considered the idea.



"You then, basically."

yes. and I think my partner would as well if I explained it to her. which I probably wont.

"After all, embassy representatives turn up on this minute internet backwater every day."

interesting. I see them very rarely.


"Tried that. Luckily I wear glasses."

moron. if youd had half a brain you would have realised that I *clearly* meant after removing yoru glasses.

"By the way, were you there or did you read the thread after the fact? "

I was there. at least at the beginning. I go bored relatively quickly and buggered off.
Actually I think I was about the third poster :) I had decided it was genuine by then.

mind you. I always remove my glasses before attempting to jab myself in the eye with a fork as well so clearly im smarter than you in a *lot* of areas.

"It unfolded over several hours, yet you seem to be reacting as though i'd been tripping up medics in the emergency room."

nah. just continuously stating the blindingly obvious.  seriously.
do you really think that there was *anyone* on that thread who hadn't considered the possibility of it all being a fake?

the thing is that some people just think more quickly than you. and dont feel it necessary to state the obvious over and over and over and over and....

"Hope this impresses you too."

mildly. certainly it was far less boring than your earlier posts.

A little education and some more practice in using your brain and you might make a mildly interesting poster.

just remember from now on...if its occured to you, then everyone else has already thought of it.


and try not to post anything that everyone else hasn't already thought of.
Permalink Jesus H Christ 
January 22nd, 2006
Chris definately liked us (likes us?). All the teasing was in good fun, and where else can you go for the Top 30 Chris McKinstry Facts? I mean come on people, this is good stuff.

I responded the way I did for two reasons.

1. There was a slim chance I could actually contact someone who could help him.

2. I wanted him to know that the folks around here care enough to go out of their way to help him.

Of course "This is a hoax" or "This is a call for attention" crossed my mind. It actually took me 10 or 15 minutes to respond because I was stunned, and I went around trying to figure out if it was actually him.

Even if you're almost positive it's a hoax, even if you're positive it's just a call for attention, you still have to take every suicide threat seriously. There really is no other choice.

If someone decided that "it's being taken care of" and therefore "I'm free to mock him" that's their prerogative.
Permalink MarkTAW 
January 23rd, 2006
"Top 30 Chris McKinstry Facts?"

Some killjoy removed the link to that from Wikipedia...
Permalink Mat Hall 
January 23rd, 2006
I always wanted to be part of an online suicide in progress.
Permalink Michael B 
January 23rd, 2006
Well no more posts from Chris McKinstry.. We just got notice today Jan 23'06.. Chris McKinstry took his own life Sometime after his last Post(s) this weekend..
Permalink Andrew McKinstry 
January 23rd, 2006
Ok. So, it for real. I'm deeply sorrow to said that K. Christopher McKinstry body was found today on his appartement on Santiago. I just called to his boss, and he confirm it.
I cant explaint to you how shocked i'm. I was one of his few friends here in Chile, and maybe the one who know him best.
I just deeply sad and frustrated i couldn't do more.
Permalink Carlos 
January 23rd, 2006
Conocimos a chris una noche de bohemia en el bar Berries, frente al departamento en que vivia.  Luego un fin de semana nos fuimos con mi familia a nuestro departamento en la caleta de Horcon, donde pasamos un maravilloso fin de semana. Chris era fino, gentil y de gran calidad humana, hablamos sobre su facinante libro de Inteligencia Artificial que era su sue&#241;o, miramos las estrellas, caminamos por la playa, bailamos en la noche al ritmo de la musica.  Uno o dos meses despues nos juntamos en mi casa en Santiago, venia muy contento e ilusionado, pues habia conocido a su alma gemela, Diana.  Me acabo de enterar de su muerte en la prensa ,estamos desolados no lo podemos entender.  Nuestras condolencias y respetos para su familia y amigos.  Chris donde quiera que estes recibe un abrazo fraterno de nuestra familia.

Sergio Gonzalez
Gabriela Gronemann
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Permalink sergio 
January 24th, 2006

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