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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/13/opinion/13dowd.html

"Hopefully, the drafters of the constitution understand our strong belief that women ought to be treated equally in the Iraqi society."

Hopefully? Is that the best we can do for a country that we broke, own and are sacrificing young men and women every day to keep?


WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON? They kill people, they destroy a country and then 'hopefully'?

Douchbags!
Permalink Dan Denman 
August 20th, 2005
Yeah, but unfortunately, if we tried to enforce equality, people would only bitch and moan about how it wasn't designed by Iraqis and we were just annexing it.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Permalink Aaron F Stanton 
August 20th, 2005
"Damned if you do, damned if you don't."


what a load of shit. when we invaded their country we took responsibility for the outcome of the invasion.
People are right to criticise us, before whatever happens now is our fault.
if we had stayed the hell away maybe we would have had an excuse to throw up our hands, but from now on we should all be practising the phrase "yes, that specific problem in Iraq is America's fault because we invaded their country"

its the truth, get used to it.
Permalink Jesus H Christ 
August 20th, 2005
Hey, just saying that's what a lot of people would say if we go imposing American laws there.
Permalink Aaron F Stanton 
August 20th, 2005
"Hey, just saying that's what a lot of people would say if we go imposing American laws there."

yes, but *with equal truth*

thats my point. we have put ourselves in a position of responsibility over a thing which we have no real control over.

how fucking stupid do you have to be to do that?

but, maked no mistake, the outcomes....good and bad (please god, let there be some good)...are *our* fault.
Permalink Jesus H Christ 
August 20th, 2005
You broke it, you bought it.
Permalink Aaron F Stanton 
August 20th, 2005
its wrose than that...we didn't even buy it, its not ours, it never will be ours....all we did was stick up our hand and say "we'll take responsibility...its all our fault..."

stupid, fucking stupid and incompetent and disastrous.
Permalink Jesus H Christ 
August 20th, 2005
We will prevail in Iraq. We will not falter, we will not fail. We will smoke out these evildoers and prevent them from doing, uh...evil. But remember this is hard work. And we’re working hard. Every day. We’re working evenings. Ordering in. Working hard together.
Permalink George 
August 20th, 2005
> You broke it, you bought it.

You took control of it ... you dismantled/replaced its previous leadership ... because you are in command now, you are ones who are now therefore responsible for the welfare of the country's citizens ... and that is the [international] law.
Permalink Christopher Wells 
August 20th, 2005
"Yeah, but unfortunately, if we tried to enforce equality, people would only bitch and moan about how it wasn't designed by Iraqis and we were just annexing it."

You have a strange perspective sir.
Permalink Dan Denman 
August 20th, 2005
Strange, but is it inaccurate?
Permalink Aaron F Stanton 
August 20th, 2005
I think it is, Aaron.

US went to Iraq supposedly on the promise of liberating and bringing equality to Iraq citizen (big fucking lie - this administration doesn't give a fuck about its own citizens much less Iraqis but I digress)

After 100,000 death now they're saying 'hopefully'? What the fuck? same shit in Afghanistan. You're not duped into believing that Afghani women are enjoying equality are you?

Or maybe just maybe Exxon and Halibruton don't give a shit about these *non issues*? and simply they're claiming oil wrongfully possessed by brownies huh?
Permalink Dan Denman 
August 20th, 2005
Hang on a second.

I did not say that was my perspective.

I said that many would bitch about it if blah blah blah.

Not the same thing at all. I'm not the one doing the bitching.
Permalink Aaron F Stanton 
August 20th, 2005
My perspective is in actuality not far from the position you present.
Permalink Aaron F Stanton 
August 20th, 2005
Okay then my mistake. I misunderstood your statement.
Permalink Dan Denman 
August 20th, 2005
> You broke it, you bought it.

I have been trying to dispute the charge for some years now, with no success.
Permalink The Amazing Biff 
August 20th, 2005

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