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http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/09/katrina.evac.ap/index.html?section=cnn_topstories

"Decaying corpses in the floodwaters could pose problems for engineers who are desperately trying to pump the city dry. While 37 of the 174 pumps in the New Orleans area were working and 17 portable pumps were in place Thursday, officials said the mammoth undertaking could be complicated by corpses getting clogged in the pumps.

(((***"It's got a huge focus of our attention right now," said John Rickey of the Army Corps of Engineers. "Those remains are people's loved ones."***)))"

Well actually, no Johnny, they're not. They're big rotting chunks of meat and bone that once upon a time contained somebody's loved one but is now an environmental health hazard and a financial liability. Run the pumps and have the Army Corps of Engineers standing by with some industrial drano to melt away whatever bloated carcasses get jammed in the mechanism.

Seriously, it's not as though these people are going to be having open casket funerals at this point.
Permalink muppet 
September 9th, 2005
Not what I would've expected to see from you muppet. Or I guess you were just being darkly sarcastic. Not really something I've seen you do alot, but 2 official cool points to you if so.

I'm sure people would at least like proper burials.

Still, I don't see why they couldn't just build a chicken wire sort of dam/filter and let it work in their favor. At least then a large part of them might end up in the same general area instead of strewn all over the place.
Permalink I am Jack's flood filter 
September 9th, 2005
It does seem a peculiar division of resources not to assign some people to body reclamation for over a week rather than have them add to the general poisoning of the water.
Permalink Simon Lucy 
September 9th, 2005
Nope Jack in this case I'm stone cold serious. I'm not big on wakes and funerals. Sitting around gawking at some poor soul's dessicated and vacated husk isn't my idea of being respectful.
Permalink muppet 
September 9th, 2005
+1 to Jack.

We've seen, and will continue to see, a lot of emotion over how things are in NOLA. For anyone, including the Feds, to say or do anything that doesn't look respectful or sensitive would be more fuel on that fire.

There is no doubt that many bodies will never be recovered, at least in one piece. As someone else said last week, nasty things happen to sun ripened corpses floating in water... I leave it to your imaginations as to what some of those nasty things might be.

Any pump, especially of the size and capacity of those being discussed, that doesn't have a built-in filtering system is worthless anyway. There are more than bodies or body parts floating down there right now.

Silly Me
Permalink Silly Me 
September 9th, 2005
+++We've seen, and will continue to see, a lot of emotion over how things are in NOLA. For anyone, including the Feds, to say or do anything that doesn't look respectful or sensitive would be more fuel on that fire.+++

I understand the political and emotional ramifications of leaving the bodies there, but it seems like a terrible waste of resources and time to go fishing them all out. As well become emotionally attached to the turds in your toilet, with the state those former people are in now.
Permalink muppet 
September 9th, 2005
Soon, very soon. It's all part of Triage. First, you get the willing refugees who've left their houses sent someplace safe. Then, you get the willing refugees who HAVEN'T left their houses yet. Then, you get the unwilling refugees who haven't left their houses yet.

THEN, you can go get the corpses, as all the living will be someplace safe at that point. Fortunately, the Army Corps didn't wait for all of this to be complete before they started draining the swamp. But that does mean there'll still be a few corpses washing around in the beginning.

And all sanctity arguments aside, 150 to 300 pounds of rotting meat and bone is really something you don't want to clog your high-speed pump with.
Permalink AllanL5 
September 9th, 2005
They're talking about dropping deadly chemicals anyway to clear out germs and so on. Why not just drop a couple of million gallons of Liquid Plumr and clean the whole deal right up? It's no worse than what's already down there, and they're pumping it all out into the Gulf in either case.
Permalink muppet 
September 9th, 2005
If somone wants the decayed body of their loved one to cremate and have a service of some sort, that should be honored.
Permalink  
September 9th, 2005
+++ If somone wants the decayed body of their loved one to cremate and have a service of some sort, that should be honored.++++

If reasonable, sure. At a cost of extended environmental hazard, exposure of human resources to disease, extreme conditions, and risk of death themselves, along with billions of dollars, just to pick up some rotten turds with the correct patterns of dental work to match Aunt Sally's? No.
Permalink muppet 
September 9th, 2005
Surely you would want them identified? Would you like to live for the rest of time not knowing wether your little girl died, or that she might have been picked up and in some creeps basement?
Permalink Just me (Sir to you) 
September 9th, 2005
muppet,

"Why not just drop a couple of million gallons of Liquid Plumr and clean the whole deal right up?"

Because, as I said, that would be more fuel on the fire. I can just hear the calls for Bush to be impeached because he didn't "respect the dead." As if...

I suppose I should say that this will get cleaned up, some bodies will be recovered, some will be lost. Many of the ones that will be lost will be those subjected to the "Liquid Plumr" cleanup.

I am agreeing with you. I am also saying that what they're saying and what they intend to do are two different things.

Silly Me
Permalink Silly Me 
September 9th, 2005
+++Surely you would want them identified? Would you like to live for the rest of time not knowing wether your little girl died, or that she might have been picked up and in some creeps basement?+++

Of course I'd like to know. The fact is though, that if it puts an unspecified number of other lives at risk in order to have that closure, I'm not sure it's justifiable.

Will knowing she's still alive help me get her out of that creep's basement, with all the confusion that preceded and followed the evacuations and the disaster itself? Very likely not. More likely not.
Permalink muppet 
September 9th, 2005
+++ What if the rotten turd with the correct pattern of dental work matched your daughter? Would you feel differently?+++

No, because that's not my daughter anymore.
Permalink muppet 
September 9th, 2005
Just read that a Dutch partytent company started shipping a 600 ton airconditioned mobile mortuary tent for New Orleans.

There seems to be a booming market for this company. It has mobile mortuaries in Iraq, Afganistan and recently there was one in London.
Permalink Erik Springelkamp 
September 9th, 2005
Do they also ship a ton of lime with them?
Permalink MarkTAW 
September 9th, 2005
Surely there's enough Coca Cola in Louisiana that they don't need the lime.
Permalink Simon Lucy 
September 9th, 2005
<< wonders why mindpixel isn't the first link when I search for "coca cola corpses" >>
Permalink MarkTAW 
September 9th, 2005
Don't know, but the article said that the conditioning would take care of the smell.

It will be used for identification work.
Permalink Erik Springelkamp 
September 9th, 2005
I assumed that's what the AC was for - slowing the decay/reducing the smell.

There's this gel I read about via some technology site that you put under your nose and allows you to withstand much worse smells than you normally would. The site (I think it was the site) tested it by following a garbage man around. I know they've been using something like this for years (didn't they show this in Silence of the Lambs?), but this one was supposed to be a further improvement.

I guess a dab under your nose is more efficient than covering a thousand bodies.
Permalink MarkTAW 
September 9th, 2005
Well, the smell signifies other things are travelling through the air from those corpses. I imagine it's the other things that are really more concern than the smell itself.

Wasn't a castle sieging tactic to fling/pile dead bodies around it as a sort of medieval bio-warfare technique?

If you were gonna go the drano route, you may as well just attach blades to your pumps and turn them into massive garbage disposals. It is likely just as cost effective as loads of chemicals and much less environmentally damaging.
Permalink I am Jack's polarized pump placation 
September 9th, 2005
Don't tell me we're going to all be wiped out by a New Orleans Decaying Corpse Virus.
Permalink MarkTAW 
September 9th, 2005
I told you that hurricane wasn't natural. Terrrorists, I tell you. Filthy, stinking terrorists.
Permalink Jeff Barton 
September 9th, 2005
Yes! The Black Death is coming! Haha... so I earned that.

It would be nice for the workers not to have to smell rotting corpse, you're absolutely right. I bet they wouldn't mind not catching hemorrhagic fever either though.

Apparently I am a bit ?off. Decaying corpses don't inherently *cause* disease, but they sure make a good vector.
Permalink I am Jack's disease driven drama 
September 9th, 2005
Actually I think the corpses will last better in the water than out :

http://www.umich.edu/news/?Releases/1995/May95/chr050395

Of course colder water works much better, ditto larger lumps.

You will have worse health problems from sewage floating about - that's where the pathogens are concentrated. Also from corpses on dry land where ants and vermin can get an easier meal.

I'd be VERY surprised if the dewatering pumps did not have trashracks surrounding their inlets. Bodies are bad enough but drifting chunks of wood or worse can really slow things up.

They ought to srike a medal for these guys or put it on the Corps colours (seriously).
Permalink trollop 
September 10th, 2005
Actually, the health problems from corpses are much exaggerated. And it's not as if anybody's drinking the water anyway.

If the drain clogs up with a corpse, you send a couple of divers down to extricate it and take it to the morgue.
Permalink Stephen Jones 
September 13th, 2005

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