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Nominate best derivative Joel Graham bloggers...

....okay a few Sinks and Spolskys are healthy. Good advice, they are smart, and get things done.

But does anyone notice the cottage industry of derivative Joel Graham wannabeees blathering inanely about net.JAVA or ripping off Mythical Manware? There are bloggers repeating about productivityproductivity like some guy in college bragging about he writes his daily chores in his little planner in order to become Soopah Productive!

And some of them are so hilariously arrogant about it too because theyre twice as good as Joel.... 1/5 the skill, 10x the posts. Fascinating.
Permalink Tammi 
January 10th, 2006
Well, maybe some nominations on this parallel thread will satisfy anyone's Joel-pastiche needs...
http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.287793.3
Permalink Tayssir 
January 10th, 2006
Envy is truly one of the most distasteful of human emotions. Seriously, if it really bothers you that people other than you get attention, or perhaps that they're stealing a bit of your hero's aura, maybe you need to re-evaluate where you are in your life.

The beauty of "inane" blogs is that if you don't like it DON'T FUCKING READ IT. Understand? No one is forcing you to read it, and running around pissing yourself that others are just makes you tired.

And the idea that Joel and Graham (who both are populists that have given some questionable advice) have cornered the market is laughable. I guess the world has all it needs to know, with no new perspectives necessary because piss-boy here doesn't like it.
Permalink BiteMeBitch 
January 11th, 2006
Joel-pastiche? Uh, Joel was preceded by Philip Greenspun (including much of the form and style, for that matter), though of course he didn't copy him but instead brought a new perspective. If you're so enamored with Joel, or Graham, that you really think they invented the genre, then you're a kid with his eyes closed.

Get back to that 40 and keep justifying your life.
Permalink BiteMeBitch 
January 11th, 2006
And Jamie Zawinski for that matter, among just a few of the very big names that laid the groundwork for those that followed.
Permalink BiteMeBitch 
January 11th, 2006
Hey there Tayssir. Still bearing a grudge, I see.

Nonethless, if you think my blog is a "Joel-pastiche", honestly I'm _honored_. Thanks! While I'm not quite as enamored and starstruck by Joel as you are, I know he's very respected, and I respect him, so I'm honoured to be lumped in with him. Even if it's as a, err, rip-off.

Mind you, I really didn't realize that software development was such a conquered topic that Joel and Graham had it covered, though, and strangely I've earned quite a few readers for my particular perspective, experience, and writing style.

Thanks for the kind words, though.
Permalink Dennis Forbes 
January 11th, 2006
(Even though I have 1/5th the skillz, at least I can type 120 wpm, so I can make up for it in quantity!)
Permalink Dennis Forbes 
January 11th, 2006
D - WTF?
Permalink MarkTAW 
January 11th, 2006
Tayssir knows what I'm talking about.
Permalink Dennis Forbes 
January 11th, 2006
I also know what you're talking about, but I think you're taking that a bit too personally.
Permalink MarkTAW 
January 11th, 2006
Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm reading between the lines regarding some passive-aggression that has simmered for a while.
Permalink Dennis Forbes 
January 11th, 2006
If we could all keep two swords length distance gentlemen.
Permalink Simon Lucy 
January 11th, 2006
Um, I think I'm expected to say something here. ;)

(Excuse me for typing fast, as I'm helping clean someone's house and taking these little breaks before we have to entertain guests. But I'm happy to clarify any criticisms/questions when I have a sec.)

Anyway, I've noticed there are three kinds of people here. People bucking in their parents' basements to be Trolls of the Month; easy targets who paranoidly oblige the trolls' sick cravings for entertainment and manipulation; and a few sad people pretending to be sane.

Mark is right. Why take it a bit too personally? Why does Sharkfish expect anything better out of Muppet? Why do people heavily email Philo asking him to confront Sharkfish in a western showdown? Why tell me that you read meanings between the lines of my posts, like a kabbalist finding G-d in the daily price fluctuations of Pop Tarts?

Life is too fleeting to be on a forum so long and play these roles. More important to mop some floor... ugh.
Permalink Tayss 
January 11th, 2006
"Why do people heavily email Philo asking him to confront Sharkfish in a western showdown?"


Wow. Well, that's interesting, for so many reasons. I guess I walk around with a target on my back. How silly of me.
Permalink sharkfish 
January 11th, 2006
I certainly take very little of what is said on here personally, and I can assure you that I never leave my PC upset or spiteful.

However I have a very alert sensor for passive-aggression, and passive-aggression is not my thing - I'm more without the passive part :-), so I heartily confront people in such scenarios. If someone has something to say, just be a man (or woman) and come out and say it. Don't piss around with subtle commentary or anonymous leaders to quietly take some jabs.
Permalink Dennis Forbes 
January 11th, 2006
"Anyway, I've noticed there are three kinds of people here. People bucking in their parents' basements to be Trolls of the Month"

There are two types of people in the world - Those who think it's a complex mix of people, and those who naively want to casually categorize everyone into explicit categories. Hey wait...

"eople bucking in their parents' basements to be Trolls of the Month"

Why don't you move out, then? Life is nice when you have your own place.

"Life is too fleeting to be on a forum so long and play these roles. More important to mop some floor... ugh."

Right.... You're so busy, and emotionally disconnected that you wouldn't be the kind of person to passive-aggressively post an OP setup for yourself to follow-up with, tacitly making a connection for the crowd, would you? You're above all that, what with your maturity and go-go lifestyle...
Permalink Dennis Forbes 
January 11th, 2006
May I know WTF?

(What type I am ...)
Permalink Rick Tang 
January 11th, 2006
"I just want to be loved, is that so wrong?!"
Permalink Harvey 
January 12th, 2006

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